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Miliband is fundamentally wrong in his perception of where the centre ground is.
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Tags: Party Conferences 2011 Ed Miliband
One thing is about Ed. At least people understand what he is on about enough to dislike it. With the 'Big-Society' we are still at a loss to know what it means, if indeed it means anything at all.
If that's off topic, sorry, but I couldn't be bothered to read the article.
The problem is trying to claim the "Centre Ground" in the first place.
What's all this talk about Ed going left-wing?
Praising Thatcher's persecution of basic human rights (protected under international law) to organise their labour?
Praising the destruction of social-housing by flogging it all off to vultures and BTL merchants?
Praising profiteer-run firms such as Rolls-Royce - the head of which, who Ed singled out for s special individual gold star, has just run off to become a bankster with Rothschilds?
Praising discrimination against the unemployed in access to getting a roof over their head?
Good grief. I'd hate to see what you lot thinks is "right wing"! Is it too much to ask for a Labour leader who supports socialism and the rights of Labour?
Sure, Blair won three elections. The first time around, we believed what he told us. The second time around, we still remembered what the Conservatives were like in power. The third time around, we knew Blair was a lying toad but the other parties were in meltdown so there wasn't a credible alternative, and everyone's jobs looked fine. By the fourth time, Labour's moral and economic credibility was completely blown, Gordon Brown was a walking car crash as a leader, the country was hemoerrhaging jobs, and both the Conservatives and the Lib Dems were back to being a realistic opposition again.
Left Is Forward writs, 'Is it too much to ask for a Labour leader who supports socialism and the rights of Labour?'
Sadly, Yes. Can you ever remember reading anything here or in the NS supporting 'socialism and the rights of labour'?
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"So, no I don't think people want another Blair or another centre party."
No, if that is what they wanted then the Tories would have won, but they didn't and had to fall back on using the Lib-Dems.
Miliband is doing what needs to be done: articulating a clear difference between his policies and those of the coalition. These are not circumstances where Labour can win as Tory-lite (we'll do the same thing, only slower). Ed is, after all, proposing points of view which were entirely centrist in the UK and the US before Thatcher and Reagan. They DID shift the discourse well to the right; it can shift back again, given parties and politicians who are good enough to make the argument. Is Ed that good? Maybe not. But he is certainly moving in the right direction.
Is the ABI " Anti-Business ". Today they released a report, warning against " Rewarding Failure ".
It looks like Miliband and the ABI, are on the same page.
"Although he was a divisive figure and I disagreed with most of what he wrote (and wasn't a big fan of his style), at least he presented a different perspective - and I would have thought that the NS covered a broad enough spectrum to accommodate him."
Unfortunately, the new statesman's spectrum is only as broad as Ed Miliband's backside, so if your not going to kiss it...
Dan Hodges was the John Rentoul of the NS. Good riddance to him.
I just don't understand what Dan Hodges is complaining about?
The Labour party IS/ALWAYS HAS BEEN a party of the left if I am not mistaken.
What is this ridiculous talk of positioning the party on "centre grounds"??
How can you complain that a Labour leader is coming out with a leftist discourse?
I don't expect anything less from Milliband.
The idea that people are going to vote Labour if they think it is a centre party is so bloody wrong and that on two levels. First it isn't true. People are so fed up with politics precisely because "all politicians are the same" and seem to be working for one master only and that is Big Business.So, no I don't think people want another Blair or another centre party. They had one centre party and they never voted for it for Goodness sake!
Secondly, what is the bloody point of Milliband pretending to be centre just to win elections? (that is if it worked which it won't). In that case what is the point of winning any elections under false pretences?
I think the only way Labour will ever come back is to be honest and bold and to position itself unashamedly on the left. People would respect more a party which isn't ashamed of its own ideology and origins than a copycat party that no one needs or believe in.
If it doesn't work, well, as the saying goes; "people deserve the government they get" and if the people of this country prefer to vote for a party which is unashamedly on the right and work for the interests of the rich and big business, so be it! it will their choice, yet again.
Dan Hodges has gone!? Ha! As someone he probably admires once said: "Rejoice! Rejoice!"
i wasn't impressed by the speech, i think perhaps miliband should have been a little more specific in identifying villains. its ok for us commenting here to say things about the evils of the corporate sector, but he has to be careful, and i think his accusations were probably too vague, and may have created the impression that he meant all businesses. though he is right that there have to be changes to the rules, but he has to be very careful how he does it, and vague threats about taxing bad companies more is not necessarily good taxation policy.
I don't like Milliband, it's revealing the way he stepped over his more able brother. I think he's wrong on a number of issues but the last criticism I would ever make of him is that he's too left wing.
If many in the Labour party truly think he's too far to the left then Labour are finished as a social democratic party and I'll be voting for an independent Scotland in the hope that I can finally be governed by a left of centre party
Suzanne, I share your hope about Scotland. But Ed M was voted in, rather than stepping over his brother, and silly to say so. Surely I cannot be the only person to find this family issue having no interest whatever.
Labour hate the tories and now hate Tony Blair too...
Yet they have only won power during the last 35 years when Tony Blair was pretending to be a tory.
In 2010, Brown's labour won a million fewer votes than John Major's worst, most humiliating defeat in 1997.
Get used to opposition, labour, you will surely be there a long time.
Acamar, Ed has lost every national election he fought. He LOST the leadership election within his own party and was only saved by the Union block vote and a perverse voting system. His own party colleagues voted against him. Even after the 24/7 narrative of savage tory cuts, he was thrashed in the UK council elections, With the tories increasing their number of seats, they were wiped out in the Scottish elections and he was humiliated in the national referendum on AV!
Every strand of his DNA screams LOSER!