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I would like to extend an olive branch to those defenders of English nationalism.
Dropping bombs on women and children, kidnapping and beating to death hotel workers, torture, really heroic
I don't know about you folks, but when people write reams of stuff in comment pages my eyes go blurred.
Defeats the object really?
There are two things people should consider. 1. Arrogance and stupidity tend to go hand in hand.
2. It doesn't really matter anyway!
Still.... rant on if you must!
Incidentally protest has always been the province of youth. In the 60/70s we had "Ban the Bomb" we still however ended up with the bomb like it or not!
The world is run on the same parameters it always has been and always will be.
There are those that get shafted and those that do not.
Change should be for the betterment of all, sadly that is rarely the case.
someone google in Charlene Downes
Are you there yet? Surely you can upset Julia Harris and her gang just a little bit more, come on Mr Divine, wheres your recent contributions? you are falling down on the job!
Both Hodges and Penny Red seem to be going for the record of 300 comments.
A pity because both are defending the indefensible. By the end of the year the EDL will be a busted flush. By talking about them now they are simply giving them a free platform.
Dan- have you ever asked yourself why the proles no longer support 'leftist' political parties?
So according to Flashbuck the BBC are 'Muslim pandering'
But according to Keith the BBC programme "My Brother the Islamist" is "very interesting" and is "why extreme Muslim groups need putting a stop to asap"
Also Keith cites a Panorama programme on, you guessed it, the BBC, in which Muslim schools were exposed.
So are the BBC 'Muslim pandering' or not?
The question should be. Why did the political-left start supporting religious fascism? In their eyes that loathsome medieval religion can do no wrong.
Flashbuck - excellent posts
Julia Harris - incisive and unanswerable
I am not a fan of the EDL who do contain lots of overtly racist and neo nazi types...but I prefer them 100% over Islam's many many extremists, especially in Tower Hamlets which is its epicentre. This is the borough where Gay Free Zone stickers were plastered by extremist Mohamed Hasnath, where Islamic supremacist Lutfur Rahman is Mayor, where the extremist terror-supporting Islamic Forum is housed in the main jihadi-backing mosque, where an unveiled female Muslim shop worker was recently threatened with murder by bearded Islamic thugs, and on and on... so Dan, yes the EDL should have been allowed to highlight this rotten borough's deep roots of Islamic fascism.
And yes UAF are a very sick organisation, refusing to acknowledge the very real fascism of their Islamic allies..itself showing why many of the white working class have nothing but contempt for it!
more Islamaphobia in Germany, those EDL like German security forces!
Germany's top security official says authorities are tracking about 1,000 Islamic radicals in the country with possible links to terrorism.
Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich told Bild newspaper's Monday edition that of those, 128 have been identified as having the potential to commit attacks, and 20 have trained in terrorist camps.
i'm getting sick of all this Islamaphobia, in Nigeria now...
Muslim youths hacked a Christian family of eight to death in Nigeria's volatile Plateau state on Sunday, local officials said, continuing a week of violence that has pitted gangs from the two faiths against each other and civilians.
Will the Islamaphobia never end?
Reports came to us about tremendous torture upon Hindu minorities, loot, molestation and rampage upon Hindu Temples and house hold after a provocation through Miking in Comilla in Bangladesh. After Eid observation the Majority Muslim miscreants spranged upon the Hindu Minorities with all free Islamic provocations. All the political parties are silent rather enjoying.
You allow Muslim exstemists to march , you allow black families who lost a son (who was a known criminal) which started the riots .You allow Scotish and Welsh nationalists to march , New Labour created a policy and convinced the media that being proud to be English was rascist and fascist ,We the English are the majority so let us march for what we believe in , the same as the Welsh , the Scotish and the Muslim extremists
Whats wrong with allowing people who believe in England
Unite against fascism. UAF
Unite against fascism, ONLY WHITE FASCISM.. That is!! UAFOWF. So when did one kind of fascism become socially acceptable?
Don't get ahead of your Mr Divine. When you point out Muhammad's crimes to Muslims, why do they refuse to acknowledge them? 'Islamophobia' Phobia is an irrational fear, there's nothing irrational about fearing the rise of. Homophobia, oppression of women, anti-semitism and religious fundamentalism.
"Dan- have you ever asked yourself why the proles no longer support 'leftist' political parties"
More times than I'd care to mention.
Labour is in real danger of being portrayed as the party of mass-immigrations and violent Islam. Now why would working people wish to support such a party?
"...have you ever asked yourself why the proles no longer support 'leftist' political parties"
Probably because they are too busy keeping middle England happy, especially 'floating' voters who are little more than opportunists whose only political identity is self-interest.
Islam hasn't being hijacked by extremists, it's extremism what sustains it. What distinguishes Islamic terrorism from mere criminal activity, and it is part of what makes Islam so very, very different from other religions. Many people would prefer to bury their heads in the sand or look for ways to recast Islamic terror to fit their own political agenda, but the fact is that violent Muslims are quite explicit about the religious certainty that compels and justifies their actions. I await your reply. Mr Divine.
RM "political identity is self-interest" So who's going to support a party that actively works against their 'self-interests'....
Surely the Garden of Eden was/is in the Middle-East somewhere. And Adam was not born of woman.
Look the EDL have the Afghanis, not to mention pro- Gaddafi Libyans, shaking in their boots.
Come on you volunteers. Get stuck in - let's see how hard you are!
Adam, listen please don’t try to patronise me with your idyllic notion that Islam is tolerant off Infidels and minorities. You can quote Cordoba all you like, but it wasn’t idyllic at all as you’d like to make out. The bottom line is we don’t want Sharia in the UK or anywhere in the free west.
Not enough is said or exposed to truly reveal the insidious and underhand aspects of Islam and its not cultural, it’s religious. Islam is the most intolerant and violent religion the world has ever known. And I can’t abide the demonization and self loathing of the liberal left of Western democracy and Israel.
Mr. Divine "The thing to remember is that the message of the Koran is peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims follow that" Mr Divine your ignorance is breathtaking.
The Islamaphobia just goes on and on and on...
2011.09.06 (Yala, Thailand) - Islamists kill a 38-year-old teacher, then set his body on fire.
2011.09.06 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 9-year-old boy is among the victims of two attacks by Muslim gunmen, one at a teahouse.
2011.09.06 (Zakaleo, Nigeria) - Four Christians are burned alive when militant Muslims set fire to their house.
2011.09.05 (Dabwak, Nigeria) - An elderly Christian couple and their two grandchildren are shot to death in their home by Muslim raiders.
2011.09.05 (Qaisar, Afghanistan) - Sunni militants take out five civilians with a well-placed roadside bomb.
2011.09.05 (Parwan, Afghanistan) - The bodies of two German hikers are found three weeks after they were abducted and shot to death.
How apt that the Muslims youth should choose to Stone the bus...
Amateur footage shows EDL coach under attack in east London
Footage shows a coach full of English Defence League supporters come under attack from locals in Tower Hamlets following demonstrations by the far-right group in London on Saturday.
I second that Mr Divine, it's been great! I would love to be a very big room (for safety) observing this lot in open debate, this little read has cheered me up no end
A message to all martyrs of Islam, there are 72 Susan Boyles waiting your arrival....any second thoughts now.
This is a Christian country. When in Rome do as the Romans. Burkhas and veils should be banned. We shouldn't allow mosques to be built here - they dont allow Christian Churches to be built in Saudi Arabia and they actively persecute Christians in Pakistan. Let those who dont like our ways head off.
Oh Dan, will you marry me?
Why are you bothering with the EDL dan???? This is Islam see below, where are the 'Free Somalia brigade? Where are the boycotts of Islam as it is Muslims causing these issues? For gods sake, why is the world so caught up with Palestine and providing 9 times per head aid to Gaza when Somalia is in the midst of a famine, suffering from the worst drought in 60 years? 29,000 Somali children have died within the past three months, and 100,000 Somalis are expected to die in the next few weeks. The al-Qaeda affiliate al-Shabab has destroyed the country, taking over much of the southern part of the country where it has imposed a strict version of Sharia law. The Taliban-like organization refuses to allow humanitarian organizations associated with the West to provide aid to the starving people. Al-Shabab expelled the U.N.’s World Food Programme, which had provided the bulk of the aid, from much of the country in January 2010, accusing it of being a U.S. proxy. Incredulously, some are blaming the U.S. for the famine, not al-Shabab.
"In total, 4 million people are in crisis in Somalia, with 750,000 people at risk of death in the coming four months in the absence of adequate response," the UN's Food Security and Nutrition Analysis Unit (FSNAU) says.
Half of those who have already died are children.
@ Dan Hodges
I have noticed you have done other article about the EDL, Could now do one about the extremist Muslim groups please. I for one would be interested in reading your views about them
Sorry, but we should all have the right to march even though we disagree with their views.
Richard Albright, you stupid dumb dim-witted thick as goat's cheese retard, your'e supposed to be asking misleading rhetorical questions, thought we had a deal you dumb c?&nt!
when the cold war ended an enemy was required. hey presto. islamophobia. but the propoganda has been so compelling that all sides are strting to believe it
as for the EDL, just a bunch of no mark small club football hooligans who need to feel part of the gang since the england football team banning orders came into force. completely clueless.
however, marginalisation of the english needs to be addressed. i just wish we had better flag bearers
Think the holding hands bit won't work, it would demand that EDL have as many as Pride / UAF. Not sure if this equation is possible in reality
Dan, your position is a joke, but it is not funny. You seem to be following the UAF approach of, "don't let the scum march, but hang on, don't stop us marching, we're the good guys." One wonders what your position would be if EDL were freedom marchers in Syria, and the UAF were state forces. You can't pick and choose who should be allowed free speech.
As it stands, the EDL are the ones who can position themselves as being hard done by in this scenario, and it's difficult for any true defender of free speech to disagree with them. And what do you do about it? You make smug little jokes that you and all your politically literate friends can laugh at. Never mind those who are not as educated as you, who might hear some of the EDL half-truths and some of the arguments they've misappropriated to strengthen their cause. Screw them, what have they ever done for you anyway? Much easier for you and your friends to sit around and congratulate yourselves on being better than the rest of us.
To be fair to you, at least you don't make any claim to stand up for freedom of speech, but I think it's extremely depressing that when confronted with a disgusting group like the EDL, you don't change the battleground to that of destroying bit by bit their ideology, rather you make some silly jokes and hope they will go away.
I expect better of the New Statesman. While the EDL can position themselves as hard done by with regards free speech and the right to protest, they would find it much harder to defend their views that you can easily access on their website. The question is, have you got the guts to take them on and expose them through argument? If not, with all due respect to your right to free speech, do shut up.
Islam is a legal and military dogma that extends to all facets of a
Muslim's life, the cultural and legal landscape of where they live and a Muslim's relationship with non-Muslims. For too long Islam has enjoyed immunity from necessary analysis, due criticism and debate because of its status as 'just a religion' Unfortunately, if we continue to tolerate Islam without understanding it, Britain as a free, secular democracy in which we are rightly proud will be lost.
...where there's a will...
They have a right to march-
Their opponents have a right to counter-march.
Let's have another 'Battle of Cable Street'.
Break a few heads...
Mosley's lot were never the same again...
Perhaps they should be only allowed to march for each other's causes.
Piece of crap, vacuous, wet ego article. If you can call it an article. Twit!
Richard Albright - I am the official freedom fighter Julia Harris, previous comment not from me.
"RM "political identity is self-interest" So who's going to support a party that actively works against their 'self-interests'...."
No it isn't. There are such things as altruism, egalitarianism, philanthropy. You don't see it much now I admit, but they are ideas.
But I was only trying to answer your question, not trying to be smart.
You can stick your olive branch up your fat patronising guilt tripped bourgy arse.
I think 1 million white people should have a ground fight with 1 million Arabs without the use of guns or bombs.
Baseball bats and crickets bats should be permitted.
At the end the loser shuts up for 100 years which would mean no more moaning on this matter,
Islamaphobia, Hate and Paranoia, alive and kicking amongst some on here!, to all these 'little englanders', if you don`t believe in immigration, you obviously don`t believe in Emigration!!, because it works both ways!, or do some only believe we should have White immigrants only!, definitely no Muslim ones!, because according to some on here they`re going to colonise us!!, and rename us the Islamic Republic of England!!!, some on here must admire North Korea, because that`s a Hermit state with a paranoia for a leader, and a totally shut off society from the rest of the world!!, that would be some of the Xenaphobes on here ideal utopia!, according to your logic?.
Maybe if the 'pathetic' left stopped pampering to religious fascism, than maybe than the EDL may return to the football terraces.
i know alot of these mainly white working class edl guys, and to label them as far right is just plainly wrong,,in fact most of them guys are ex labour voters going back generations in my experience...the far left wing swp and uaf middle class types have a big problem with these guys now because they have picked a fight with working class poor people and i can see only one winner there,,,far right they call them,,,i dont think so...
The prophet Muhammed of Islam married a seven year old named Ayesha.
Muhammad is a PAEDOPHILE!!