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The EDL and the BNP are like Girl Guide organisations in comparison to the openly racist, homophobic, misogynistic, backward Muslim populations and groups the exist within the UK and worldwide.
The EDL actually make's some good points about Islam and its a pity there are some thuggish members who the media like to characterize as being BNP / football hooligans.
Geert Wilders on the other hand is an amazing dutch politician and I await a UK politician who is willing to sacrifice his freedom (as we know his life will be under threat if he does) to profess the same message and ask for similar controls on Muslims immigration and multiculturalism.
We know UK MP's already get deaths threats (probably from Arseholes like you) if they show support for Israel and we have seen them threatened and attacked by Muslims for other perceived injustices that the Islamic supremacists and Uber Left broadcast. .
Israel does more to avoid civilian casualties than any other army, unlike the hate filled Muslims who relish and rejoice in the killing of innocents, there is a clear difference that your too fearful to admit.
So, EDL then. I heard that they accepted twisted bitches like you in their ranks. I believe a lot of these boneheaded mutants admire the kosher fascist Wilders as he is Jerusalem's man in the Netherlands.
Very few armies use tanks, helicopter gunships, attack jets and artillery (including phosphorus shells) against civilians in built up areas but the IDF is one of them. i am sure they are very sorry for all of the dead goyim they leave in their wake after their murderous rampages.
zzzzzz, oh please is that the best you got? really? your tiresome and boring, you haven't said anything insightful or telling... your attempts and insulting humour are well, Yawn.....
You like to criticize Jews and Israel but you don't state your views and support for the great Arab humanitarian countries and regimes of the middle east? Surely you cant with a straight face say that the likes of Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Jordan, Saudi, are off your radar for criticism?
If you are bored then feel free to fuck off you auld hag. I would refer you to an earlier post when I said that I don't give a damn about these vile countries in the Middle East but unfortunately they do not confine their squabbles to the Middle East. However, call me olf fashioned, but I think the post on an article should have something to do with the subject matter of that article.
zzzzzz, You've lost the plot, you've lost the discussion and the argument, I win, again.
As your spiritual leader and mentor I would suggest you stick to less taxing pursuits than discussing world politics. Instead you could take up a strong position on the latest contestants on the Jeremy Kyle show. I think you'll do well voicing your views on whether Boyfriend A should be annoyed at Boyfriend B for sleeping with Girlfriend A, since you clearly have no life and friends of your own, this will give you something to make you feel included?
As self-congratulatory numb-nutted posts go this would be hard to beat (but I am sure you will manage it at some point). You do not engage in discussion and you have little in the way of argument yet freedom of speech here allows you to make a pratt of yourself. Freedom of speech in Israel does not extend to those who criticise the policies of its vile government. In that respect it is no different to other countries in the region and should be treated accordingly.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, yawn, sorry what did you say....think everyone has left the building cos they are so utterly bored of you...LOL.
You certainly have left the building.....zzzzz....yawn.....zzzzzz......etc.......twat.
And here an example of Ms Julia's great verbiage (I quote):
You cant handle the fact that Syria and the other middle east regime's are showing there colours
Wot a silli kunt u r, focusing on gramma and spellin insted of the messije shows that u ave nothing worthi to say except be an anal dikhead! undastand?
Your ideas are vacuous, your thoughts are fetid, your grammar is dreadful, your support of the indefensible is moronic, your knee-jerk pieces of poubelles in support of the racists are vomit-making.
Now back to the subject, ya ukhti, if you are going to resort to name calling of the most sophomoric kind, and if you are going to write stream of consciousness inanities about the Middle East (capital M, capital E), and if you are going on a vendetta to stalk the heroic Mr Mehdi, you shouldn't be surprised that you are opening yourself up to some slight criticism.
By calling all and everyone who doesn't toe your line on how great and wonderful and peacable and democratic the state of Israel is - a rabid anti-Semitic or a Nazi, you have really pulled the rug from under your feet. I can now see you falling hundreds of feet only to have your landing softening by a cow pat the size of your brain (i.e. 1" x ").
No, my ideas speak of the real world, the world of free speech outside of the politcally correct / Islami facists who would silence any criticism of Islam and always play the victim card.
Using a few big word doesn't make anything you say worth listening to or correct.
I am sure Mehdi is Heroic to Islamic Jihadi's, the Uber Left and those weak minded folk who believe what they are told.
I don't have any vendetta against Medhi, I like the fact he is honest enough to speak his mind, I will do the same, call us polar opposites, whatever.
I am happy for others to make there views heard, I will do the same, its call free speech, something this article is about.
I have been around these forums longer than you (although saying that I know who you are really ;) so have been told much worse than your little digs, pah.
Israel has excluded itself from the "world of free speech" by banning Gunter Grass from entering its territory. The current Israeli government is led by someone who has rubbed shoulders with terrorists and idolises these killers. Many of the members of his coalition are even worse so it should come as no surprise that the Zionazis would ban someone who is critical of them.
And you of course would know about Nazis Arminius, you are one yourself. I thought that the new format of this paper would encourage you to learn some history. But you've remained the Islamofascist that you always have been. Sitting in Lahore or some other shithole projecting your crap on the whole world
Stick to your Horst Mahler and Sylvia Stolz worship.
Unlike yourself, I was lucky enough to have a decent education at one of the oldest schools in Europe so I have no need to learn history from a leftist rag like the NS.
Actually I am not in Lahore (I know your Zionist puppet masters tell you to bang this drum that those who criticise HeiligesIsrael must be nast Islamist bogeymen) but am sitting in what used to be the lounge bar of the Newbrige Inn. I'd tell you the price of a pint of Fosters or the barmaid's name but I don't think you will be able to verify these facts from Tel Aviv. Incidently, there are no Muslims in Newbridge let alone Islamists. There are a couple of Catholics down by the bowling club and a Hindu runs the Post Office but that's as multicultural as it gets.
I've heard of Horst Mahler but had to Google Sylvia Stolz just in case she came up in the pub quiz.
Actually you pseudo Teuton dumkopf, I'm posting from somewhere in the UK. Tel-Aviv? Lovely city. And the fact that you claim to drink Fosters is so cliched so as to actually cause me disappointment. I'm going to enjoy demolishing you intellectually, just like in the old thread.
Of course you are in the UK, Golders Green perhaps. Fosters, Tennants, the draught lager selction is a bit limited in the Newbridge Inn which is disappointing.
If you want to demolish someone intellectually, best you find someone nearer your level. Maybe you have a pet gerbil?
Did you have an enjoyable evening sitting in a Pub lounge on your own, Mr No mates - I'm seeing an uglier and fatter version of Alan Partridge? Bad breath?
"I'm seeing an uglier and fatter version of Alan Partridge? Bad breath?" - Then you must be looking in a mirror then. Quite a shocking sight first thing in the morning I would imagine.
and on and on and on you will go stalking this Mehdi person until......well, until what exactly?
hilarious how you don't see your post as yet more evidence how utterly insane you are Julia. you just fail to understand why any other rational human would wish to sever all contact with you. lol.
and on and on and on you will go stalking this Julia person until......well, until what exactly?
hilarious how you don't see your post as yet more evidence how utterly insane you are Jackass. you just fail to understand why any other rational human would wish to sever all contact with you. lol.
same as Salman Rushdie can write what he likes, so can Gunter Grass, or am i missing something here?
Same as Salman Rushdie being banned of any contacts with the left's darling party of India Viz Congress. Same as William Dalrymple making all kinds of excuses. Same as Geert Wilders being banned.
Leftist nonsense knows no bounds.
i have no idea what that stream of 'consciousness' is supposed to signify. i don't advocate banning the fool that is Wilders or any other kind of censorship of the type under discussion, so am baffled why you wrote that in response to my post. what are you up to Geert?
Since you and I are both un-identified , I would say I am the generic right and you are the generic left.
I am saying is that the leftist are hypocrite and Grasse is an idiot; never mind his Nobel. This hypocrisy is no more bearable.
speak for yourself, i am no generic left. banning Wilders was unacceptable.
and as for Grasse being an idiot, so what? banning anything as a result of a poem is as contemptible as the treatment of Rushdie. and as i remember it, lefties deserted him, so not sure what your left v right point is all about.
just to get this straight then, do you personally think the ban is justified as a result of this single poem?
For a man who did the entire Adolf Hitler European Tour 1939-1945, the travel ban must feel quite restrictive.
You cannot help yourself but emit slander against the former child soldier... Just check how many young men and women have left Israel for various reasons including the desire to avoid committing crimes against people of "wrong" ethnicity.
For some it is very hard if not impossible to accept that "choseness" is a silly myth that produces bloody consequences.
Now, I'd like both Obama and Cameron to please explain why we're supporting a country that bans people merely for having an opinion.
Sorry. I just realized that Obama's doing the same thing.
And why did we ban Geert Wilders? So US should boycott UK well? Come on leftist, dont push a sizeable minority to extreme right by such hypocrisy.
And why did we ban Geert Wilders? So US should boycott as well? Come on leftist, dont push a sizeable minority to extreme right by such hypocrisy.
The declaration of MR Grass as persona non grata is simply Israeli right-wing populism. Any right-wing politician in Israel can increase his/her popularity by claiming to be against the Nazis. It's a taboo subject that no one there will touch.
However, I agree with some of the writers here - Grass as in the SS as a 17-year old - drafted into the army just as Israel drafts all its youth (except the ultra-orthodox) into the army or the tsanhanim - the paratroopers, an elite unit. One reads many biographies of Germans or former Germans who also went through this - i.e. they tried to keep out of the war, but were drafted. Same happened in the United States during Vietman, so i don't think we can hold it against the man that he was teenager at the wrong time in the wrong place.
As for certain writers claiming there is not a drop of free speech in the Arab world, how wrong. Even under Mubarak in Egypt the opposition press was pretty rabidly anti-Mubarak, and as another writer has pointed out, the Pakistani press is shockingly outspoken.
What sort of country bans a Nobel-prize laureate author because of his opinions? There is not a hint of an accusation that he has been involved in anything other than expressing his opinion in poetry on a piece of paper. That's obviously the weak underbelly of the Israeli right=wing establishment. Hundreds, if not thouands of Israelis express far more radical views than Grass, but his nationality and the fact that as a 17-year old he was drafted into Hitler's army seem to outweight any sense of rationality or reasonableness in the minds of Netanhayu/Lieberman.
Great way for a 'democracy' to behave.
What was blocking of Geert Wilders by UK? What was banning of Salman Rushdie by India? What was boycott of Salman Rushdie by Imran Khan a darling of British Left?
Stick it up your a*ses. Leftist/Islamists /Anti-Semite. Your game of nonsesnsical hypocrisy is no longer working.
I'll tell you what the difference is - Wilders was coming here on a propaganda tour with his odious little film Fitna and his presence was seen as a potential public disorder issue.
Grass was not planning to go to Israel, but the Israeli government decided that what he said in a poem (which was political, not ethnically or racially divisive as are Wilders' words) justified declaring him persona non grata. There's a great difference between a person who quietly publishes a poem and a rabble-rousing demagogue whose intention is to start a race war.
I feel sure that to date the United Kingdom, even under the odious and foul Home Secretary Mrs DarlingBugsofMay, has not banned a Nobel laureate from visiting our fair shores.
However, it is a great pity that the mud-crawling bigot, Ms J Harris, has been allowed to stay. I would suggest that we swap her for Gunter. A good deal all round, I say. Here here!
"The great power of poetry and prose is their ability to help the reader empathise with someone of a different culture or history. "
Sadly, the Israeli leadership and its supporters seem no longer capable of empathy.
I mean, good god, dropping phosphorous bombs on a trapped civilian population?
If it is Geert Wilders, it will quickly become hate speech for Left/ Islamists (no longer one can tell the difference. Both are anti-semite and if they had their way they would like to see destruction of the world today).
It is notable that Nobel Laureate Günter Grass is in good company with other Nobel Laureates who are similarly critical of race-based, racist and genocidal Apartheid Israel, the list of such anti-racist Jewish Nobel Laureates including Albert Einstein and Harold Pinter (for details see “Jews Against Racist Zionism”: https://sites.google.com/site/jewsagainstracistzionism/home ) and the list of such anti-racist non-Jewish Nobel Laureates including Jimmy Carter, Mairead Maguire, Nelson Mandela, Jose Saramago and Archbishop Desmond Tutu ( for details see “Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism”: https://sites.google.com/site/nonjewsagainstracistzionism/ ).
There is so much capitulating in the UK and Europe over the rights of others who pedal some kind of underlying hatred or ill will toward it. We see in the UK how we are paralysed to act against the like of abu qatada who hates the UK, hates our society and would like to see it fall, but we fund him and his family who are on benefits for the sake of some of kind of liberal idea that we must uphold the rights of these people and there right to free speech.
Israel is a brilliant example of a country of people who can distinguish between what's right and wrong and who means it well and who would see it fall and do it harm.
There is nothing wrong with Israel saying, sorry, we dont like what you are saying about our country and the veiled threats and anti Israel propaganda that your spreading which in the current climate and with the latest waves of Israel bashing should be given a platform to create disunity within a unified country that is surrounded by enemies who are known and also those friends who profess to friends but behave like enemies.
Fuk the left who are obsessed with Israel above everyone and anyone else, who support the Islamo fascists and are criminally stupid in there negligent attention to there real human rights and freedom of speech issues in the Muslim world.
Julia (if that's your real name), if you're going to say 'fuck', write fuck. You say, "Fuk (sic) the left who are obsessed with Israel...", yet it is you who is obsessed with Islam and labelling Muslims as terrorists. You're also a bit obsessed with Israel itself and being an apologist for the heinous crimes it commits. You seem to fall into the very category of people the writer is talking about, where you take two issues and conflate them. People speak out against Irael, therefore they must be supporters of Hamas, Hizbollah, Iran, et cetera, et cetera. This position is intellectually illiterate, as well as being just plain wrong. Most people who speak out against Israel (and it is important that we do so) are also anti-terrorism. But what you fail to see is that the violence on both sides breeds further violence. However, both sides have very different aims. One side wants peace and for Israel to respect internationally-recognised borders and to obey international law and UN resolutions; the other side has no interest in peace and feels it can only survive in a state of perpetual war. Which one do you think Israel is on?
You cite Israel as a "brilliant example": yes, of how not to run a country. If every country were as reactionary as Israel, what sort of world do you think we would live in? I can guarantee you that it wouldn't be very pleasant, but maybe you would like to inhabit an Orwellian dystopia of permanent war. I find that very sad.
P.S. I think you meant that people 'peddle' ill-will, rather than pedal it.
fuk off, you talk alot of rubbish and pedal bullshit.
I believe that should be "peddle bullshit" rather than pedal.
Also - you seem to have great difficulty with pronouns, apostrophes and auxiliary verbs, i.e. "your" instead of "you're".
Did you ever get the job translating hasbara?
Julia Harris is most likely a pseudonym for a former Soviet of Avigdor Lieberman kind (Lieberman is world-known as a thuggish racist). Hence the lack of civility. The modern (invented) state of Israel has been dominated by religious fundies and former Soviets. What a sad and ironic destiny!
Gunter Grass has written a very sensible poem "What must be said" (read the English translation here: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/gunter-grasss-c... ) .
In short Gunter Grass sensibly decries German delivery of submarines to the State of Israel that could be used in a nuclear attack on Iran based on Israeli concerns that Iran is a military threat and a potential nuclear weapons state; expresses concern over potential German participation in an Israeli-adumbrated holocaust of Iranians that threatens the world as a whole; and recommends international inspection of nuclear programmes in both Iran and the State of Israel.
The travel ban placed on Nobel laureate Gunter Grass by Apartheid Israel is par for the course for this race-based, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish anti-Semitic, Nazi-style, nuclear terrorist, racist Zionist-run, Apartheid rogue state - after all, in a process of egregious anti-Jewish anti-Semitism Apartheid Israel has variously detained, imprisoned, deported and/or excluded outstanding anti-racist Jewish writers and scholars such as Professor Norman Finkelstein (sacked from the zero Nobel Laureate (?) Catholic De Paul University at the behest of racist Zionists) , Professor Noam Chomsky (77 Nobel Laureate MIT) and Professor Richard Falk (35 Nobel Laureate Princeton University).
Apartheid Israel not only defames and excludes anti-racist Jews it practises "democracy by genocide" and grossly violates the human rights of Indigenous Palestinians (zero human rights for Occupied Palestinians; 800,000 Palestinian CHILDREN are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Cap, 10% are stunted according to Jewish British Labor MP David Milliband; only 6% of 12 million Palestinians can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine, albeit as Third Class citizens under Nazi-style race laws; 6 million Palestinians are not even allowed to step foot in their own country ).
Apartheid Israel also seriously restricts the freedom of speech of Jewish Israelis who I understand face a $100,000 fine if they express support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Apartheid Israel.
Gunter Grass' comments were pretty mild. Race-based, genocidal, nuclear terrorist Apartheid Israel is reported to have 400 nuclear weapons as well as biological and chemical weapons ( see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction ). Apartheid Israel should be immediately forced to relinquish such WMD and quit the West Bank, Gaza and Syrian Golan Heights and it should be subject to comprehensive Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) until it does so and removes all all race-based laws.
Racist Zionism is genocidal in theory and in obscene practice and has subverted and perverted the Western democracies to the point that it has successfully promoted a new anti-Jewish anti-Semitism directed against anti-racist Jews (such people representing the most outstanding Jewish intellectuals of our time; see "Jews Against Racist Zionism": https://sites.google.com/site/jewsagainstracistzionism/home) .
To protect anti-racist Jews, all anti-racist, decent values and democracy the racist Zionists should be be sidelined from public life as have been like racists such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, Apartheiders and KKK i.e. they can say what they like but decent people will no more listen to them than they would to pro-Zionist, racist, neo-Nazi mass murderer Anders Breivik (since 1936 0.1 million Palestinians have been killed and a further 1.9 million have died from invasion-, occupation-, war-, expulsion - and occupation-imposed deprivation; there are 7 million Palestinian refugees; see "Palestinian Genocide": https://sites.google.com/site/palestiniangenocide/ and the multi-author book by numerous anti-racist Jewish and non-Jewish writers "The Plight of the Palestinians", Palgrave Macmillan, London, 2010: http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/4047-the-plight-of-the-palestinians.html ).
The Zionist genocidal American UK Australian apartheid alliance are responsible for all acts of genocide committed against humanity. They are responsible for the spread of malaria and HIV. The Jews are responsible for WW2. If the Jews did not bomb Pearl Harbour WW2 would never have taken place and millions of Gentiles would still be alive today. Read more of my fascinating insights at www.gideonpolyabraindeaddickheadmadfuckedupneonazilunatic.com
Obviously a fake Gideon wrote that. I would suggest, as the first name in a list of possible suspects, a certain Julia Harris - although the spelling is slightly too good.
Gideon Polya: demented neo-nazi anti-Semite.