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The Film Interview: John Pilger

How journalists help to promote war - and what can be done to stop it.

John Pilger is a journalist, documentary maker and New Statesman columnist. His new film, "The War You Don't See", is in cinemas from 13 December and will be broadcast on ITV1 on 14 December. More details here.

The War You Don't See is about the media's role in promoting and sanitising contemporary wars. Why make this film at this particular moment?

I have been writing and making films about media and war for many years. Translating this critique to film, especially the insidious power of public relations, has been something of an ambition. Peter Fincham had just taken over as director of programmes at ITV two years ago and clearly wanted to restore some of ITV's factual legacy. He was enthusiastic about the idea; he also knew the film would be critical of ITV. That's unusual.

Since I first went to Vietnam as a young reporter, I have been aware of the rituals and undercurrents and pressures within journalism that determine the news as much as the quality of the news itself. Broadcast journalism has a powerful mysticism; the BBC pretends that it is objective and impartial in the coverage of most things, especially war. The pressure to believe and maintain this pretence is almost an article of faith. For the public, the reality is very different. The University of Wales and the montoring organisation Media Tenor conducted two studies of the TV coverage in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq. Both found the BBC overwhemingly followed the government line: that its reporting of anti-war views amounted to only a few per cent. Among the major western broadcasters, only CBS in America had a worse record. The public has a right to know why.

Why do you think journalists who reported on the Iraq War - a number of whom you interview in the film - are now so willing to admit they did not do their jobs properly? What prevented them from realising that at the time?

The atmosphere has changed. No one is in any doubt now that the reasons for the invasion of Iraq were fraudulent, as are the reasons for invading Afghanistan, as were the reasons for invading Vietnam. Still, the journalists who describe in my film were it all - and they - went wrong are courageous. I asked a number of others to appear, such as Andrew Marr and Jeremy Paxman, and heard nothing back. Indeed, the more famous the name, the greater an apparent unwillingness to discuss why, as Paxman told a group of students, they were "hoodwinked".

Do independent online sources - Wikileaks being the most prominent example at the moment - allow the public to bypass corporate media entirely?

Yes, but remember the public's principal source of information is still television. The main BBC News programmes have enormous influence. Certainly, as Wikileaks has demonstrated, the agenda of the "mainstream" is increasingly guided by the world wide web. For me, as a journalist, the web offers the most interesting and often most reliable sources because they are shorn of the consensual bias, and a censorship by omission, that pervades broadcasting.

Understandably, your focus is on war reporting. But the film also suggests that our entertainment industry plays a role in disseminating propaganda. How can that be effectively countered?

There is no propaganda machine like Hollywood. As Ken Loach pointed out recently, the great majority of movies in British cinemas are American, or British with American funding. This has led to the appropriation of both fact and fiction: of art itself. Edward Said describes the effect in his book Culture and Imperialism, pointing out that the penetration of a a corporate, imperial culture is now deeper than at any time. How do we combat it? We support independent film-makers and independent cinemas and distributors. We begin to think about journalism as a "fifth estate" in which the public plays a part and media organisations are held to account.

Even when the harsh reality of war is reported truthfully and accurately, audiences can simply choose to ignore it. Are there particular techniques you pursue in your film-making to avoid this happening?

Surely, the responsibility of persuading and challenging people, of exciting their imagination, belongs to us film-makers and journalists. Blaming the public is an admission of our own inadequacy. My experience is that people will respond positively if you make the connection with their own lives, or attempt to articulate the way they worry about the world, its wars and other upheavals. If you call power to account with facts, you get the reward of support from an audience. In other words, when people realise you are their agent, not an agent of a monolith called "the media", or of other powerful interests, they give you their time and interest. That makes journalism a privilege.

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13 comments

swatantra nandanwar's picture

I watched Pilger yesterday. What he says is absolutely true. There has been a cover up of the attrocities committed by British and Allied troops and the British Press are very much complicit in that cover up.
But the dilemma for most thinking people is that the Taliban and Al Queda are x10 worse, deliberately sacrificing their civilian populations, using them as human shields, using them as suicide fodder. Its an absolute disgrace. You come to the point when you say enough is enough and these extremist have got to be eliminated. And no matter what Pilger says, and what he speaks is right, he cannot account for and answer for the terrorist attrocities.
Sometimes tough measures have to be taken against those that would destroy our liberty and freedom.

Ashok Sharma's picture

It's a racist phenomenon. The film and media industries only reflect the environment they operate in for profits. Western culture is as racist as it still dares to be. Most western wars since WWII have been against non-white nations: Korea, Palestine, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Consequently the white soldier may only seem a heroic figure to his fellow-whites. Even coloured soldiers who have fought with distinction for their white-majority countries have experienced disrespect. The situation will take decades to change--and will change only by force. Force is what the white masses respect, because they have excelled in it in the past against millions of innocent coloured men, women and children since colonial times. This excellence in race war has led Europe and its diaspora into delusions of superiority and grandeur.

Andre Kenneally's picture

Al Qaeda are a creation of the CIA in the first place back in the late 70s and 80s, and are certainly not 'ten times worse.' What percentage of teh global arms trade is created by all the officially labelled terrorism outfits of the world I wonder compared to the US and British legally sanctioned manufacturers of these weapons of death? As a character in a book of the Russian author Victor Pelevin says, "The English[and Americans] expend so much energy on hypocrisy, there's little left over for intolerance."

barrie singleton's picture

Is the release date media-tactical? Parliament shutting down and Christmas frenzy upon us?

huffpuff's picture

@mimpromptu

It gets more complicated if you start to wonder if the Iraq War itself was a cause of much of the terrorism that followed. Perhaps this is a third side of the coin?
I agree with your second point though. Invading a country, removing its Government, and dismantling its security apparatus and then decamping to a nearby Aircraft carrier to announce the 'job done' or in Americanspeak 'mission accomplished', was a little foolish. Perhaps this is where they took their eye off the ball?
This 'whoopsie' is all the more unforgivable considering how much experience the Americans already had in invading countries and removing Governments.

Very poor show all round I think.

swatantra nandanwar's picture

Can't remember the American journalist who invented TE Lawrence's reporting on the War in the Desert.
Winston Churchill couldn't rely on any journalist to build up his reputation as an adventurer so he did it himself.
But Pilger and Left and Anti- Establishment go together.

lilly beetle's picture

I applaud John Pilger, wikileaks etc. anyone who dare mention civilian suffering in wars. War is the wrong word when one side effectively has not much more than its own flesh as a weapon/defence and don't get to go home from the destruction because they're the ones who live there. Hey ho our security will soon be taken over by private security firm G4S who've been enjoying profits from Iraq & Afghanistan security work - someone else gets the misery we don't get to see, private companies get the rewards - thanks T.B. & now Cameron & Clegg.

mimpromptu's picture

The snag is, it seems to me, that many a journalist, like Barack Obama, may see two sides of the coin. As far as I am concerned, one of the most powerful reasons for continuing with the Iraq war is the valid attempt at dealing with terrorism, both at the local and the international level. Unfortunately, when George Bush went in, he and his administration did not think things properly and were simply satisfied with Sadam Hussain having been captured rather than helping the Iraqi people restore their country to some kind of normality by re/building infrastructre and so on. Those who call GWB a cowboy are not far off the truth.

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Aristotles23's picture

The first casualty of war is the truth itself, when corporations can unduly influence foreign policy to the extent of convincing politicians to commit to war so that corporate interests can benefit financially, and consequently political power can increase to the point of being totalitarian, then we are well on the way to a conglomeration of corporate-fascist states. Secrecy is the first step in the short stumble into tyranny and a complicit media that enables any state to undermine the ability of its citizens to determine the truth and to speak it out loud, publicly, has become the enabler of fascist interests. That John is able to air his excellent film shows that all is not quite lost, though apathy and a misinformed public may yet scupper any real chance of public debate on the issue of several unjustly waged wars. We should always ask Cicero's question, Qui Bono ? Who Benefits ?

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