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The BNP's bizarre membership rules

The issue of British identity is a thorny one to say the least. Many have tried to define it, only to be hobbled by their own rhetoric.

That doesn't dissuade the BNP, however. David Ottewell, over at the Manchester Evening News's politics blog, has unearthed the far-right party's bizarre system of ethnic classification, which can be found in its membership rules. Only people from this bewildering list of categories are allowed to join:

The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of "Indigenous Caucasian" consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtish Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.

Two questions arise. First -- wouldn't it be a lot easier just to say "white people"? Yes, but that would undermine the BNP's shaky claim not to be a racist party. (That claim will soon be tested in court, in any case, via legal proceedings launched yesterday by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.)

Second -- what on earth is a "folk community"? Does it involve bells and handkerchiefs? Once upon a time, the far right was all about grand visions. Here's Oswald Mosley, quoted in 1968:

The tragic paradox of our existing situation is that the fear of losing our individual cultures is the main impediment to a true union of Europe while in practice nothing less than the power of a united Europe can protect and maintain our present national civilisations.

Now, here's the BNP leader Nick Griffin in 2002, interviewed by the Observer's Andrew Anthony.

When I ask [Griffin] to name his ideal political state, he thinks for a while and then says: "In some ways middle mediaeval England, at a time when serfdom had given away to huge numbers of people owning their own plot of land and having access to the village commons".

Not only bigoted, but afraid of the modern world too, it would seem.

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9 comments from readers

Patriot
25 August 2009 at 17:24

A thorny one indeed given that allcomers are welcome to enrich our diverse and wholly successful integrated

society....including a drug dealing Royal Navy rating who just 5 years ago was Angolan without the slightest tie to my once great Nation.

Put your BNP bashing mantra to one side for a moment and try and answer the question you posed -at least the BNP provides one.

Black Buck
26 August 2009 at 10:53

A few, just a few of the many "racist" organisations in Britain.

Black Police Association

Black Londoners Forum

Black Information Link

Operation Black Vote

Muslim Council of Britain

Black Heritage Organisation

The Voice - newspaper

Board Of Deputies of British Jews

Jewish Telegraph

The Black Police Association

Black people's mental health association

Black and Asian therapists online

National BME mental health network

Federation of Black housing organizations

The Black Londoners forum

Positive action in Housing

Asianfaces.co.uk,Asian modelling service

Society of Black lawyers

Society of Asian lawyers

BlackLawyersDirectory.com

asianjobsite.co.uk

BlackandAsiangrad.ac.uk

Ethnic media Group

Al-Nisa Muslim Women's Group

Al-Nur Muslim Women's Association

Antrim Chinese Community Association

Barnardos Chinese Lay Health Project

Chinese Welfare Association

BlackBritain.co.uk

EthnicBritain.co.uk

Sussex Black police Association

The National Black Writers and Artist Association

Black students Association

UK Black teachers Association

Black UK online

UK Asian business directory

Asian People's Disability alliance

Asian arts agency

Black Enterprise awards

BlackEngineer.com

Natwest Bank (Asian Entrepreneurs Unit)

Asian Voice

Black training and enterprise group

UK Black Pride

Ethnic Minority Foundation

Oshwal Elderly Welfare Association

Ethnic Minority and Black Regional Action for Community Empowerment (EMBRACE)

Black and Minority Ethnic Elders Group

Latin American elderly project

The Black Fundraisers Network

Black Arts Alliance

Southall Black Sisters Black student union

Dudley Black regeneration council

Black Professional Events

Black Health Agency

National Association for the advancement of Black people

African Caribbean Development agency (ACDA)

African caribbean education and training services (ACETS)

Afrik-African International Network

Asian mens group

Somerset Black development agency (SBDA)

Black families education support group

James
26 August 2009 at 12:48

Black-Buck, most, if not all of the organisations you listed, are groups entirely formed to fight for the rights of the minority they represent, much like workers unions and feminist groups. But you will also find that most of those groups are not limited to the ethnicities they represent; Many of the black rights groups are open to, and actively welcome non-black ethnicities.

The BNP, on the other hand, are a political group that actively seek apartheid and deportation of any non-caucasion from our lands. There can be little or no comparison drawn between the two sets of groups. They are not a group that seek equality, they are a group that seeks superiority.

They claim to represent the rights of the working class, a class of britons they constantly belittle and label as inferior. They do not represent my views, nor the majority of people i know that are working class.

This time i hope Grffin and his Nazi party are held to account for the nihilistic out dated hate they constantly convey as 'not racist'. yeah. right.

Paul
26 August 2009 at 14:58

I think that, in allowing for the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic folk community, the Anglo-Saxon-Norse folk community and the Celtic-Norse folk community, the BNP is discriminating against the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic-Norse folk community. And I wonder where the Welsh would fit into all this, seeing as being Celtic-Scottish is fine but not just Celtic or Celtic-Welsh? If you are blind enough to believe in pure lines after so many centuries, you'll find the Welsh are a bit more indigenous than those Johnny-come-lately Anglo-Saxons.

Point (xi) is, of course, utter gibberish and was clearly written by someone with a shaky grasp of the English language. "Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them". I wonder how one could be a member of an ethnic group without ethnically deriving from it; I also wonder how one could reside neither within nor outside Europe. All point (xi) is saying is: "members of these ethnic groups", which is exactly what all the preceding points have said.

Perhaps I shouldn't be too harsh, though, as I am aware that not all British people have English as their first language.

Chris
26 August 2009 at 15:06

So, perhaps the BNP and the Green Party should get together as they both seem intent on sending us all back to pre-industrial society. However, Nick Griffin, once again, needs to go back and read his history - middle mediaevel England had very large numbers of peasants who were tied to the land and land ownership was outlawed to the majority. The only place where property ownership was widespread would have been amongst the freemen classes (merchants and guild members) in the City of London which, unsurprisingly, had a great ethnic diversity due to the concentration of wealth, manufacturing and international trade (although perhaps not as much as some groups make out).

To Black Buck - none of those groups are seeking election to represent residents of an area. The BNP are refusing membership, and therefore an opportunity to alter BNP policy, to some of the people they legally represent. This is a big difference.

graeme sergeant
24 September 2009 at 12:15

we all have to realise that there is racism on all sides,but all the time the goverment of what ever colour,carries on with a policy of mass immigration,the white majority of this country will continue to turn to the right,

The english democrats are becoming a bigger force in politics and are acceptable to the white majority of this country,

The 3 main parties ignore this trend at there peril,

George
23 November 2009 at 02:10

James, excuse me but you say - groups entirely formed to fight for the rights of the minority they represent, much like workers unions and feminist groups - by the same token then let us have

White Police Association

White Londoners Forum

White Information Link

Operation White Vote

Christian Council of Britain

White Heritage Organisation

to name but a very few - can you see the outcry of racism and racist that would come hurling at them? I can. No to me if a person goes to another land to live then you take on that countries ways and traditions or don't go there, end of story. That is not to say do not be proud of who you are, but do not stuff it in the face of the people whose country you go to, and do not make them pay for you to celebrate or promote your culture. Is an old saying and it still remains true today - When in Rome do as the Romans do - and I will add - if not or you don't like how the Romans do it - then leave.

Daniele
23 November 2009 at 10:48

Black Buck: the organisations you list have been set up precisely as a reaction to hostile treatment from the white majority. They are meant to protect their members from racism by allowing them to express themselves freely within these organisations. They do not seek power or claim superiority like the BNP and are no threat whatsoever to the rest of British society. It is totally disingenuous to claim that they are.

Anyway going back to the BNP list of races allowed as members, it could all be sorted out very cleanly: let the members prove their ethnicity by taking a DNA test!! That could be interesting as it will show that a tiny minority of people who thinks of themselves as "whites Anglo-Saxon or Celts" are in effect extremely mixed having DNA from the most remote corners of the Human family.This was demonstrated by a fantastically revealing BBC program a few years ago. This program showed that there was no such thing as "pure race" and that almost everybody in Britain had African or Asian DNA . A surprising number had DNA from the Russian and the Balkans region. That made interesting viewing when they tested some white racists or "patriots" belonging to various white supremacist organisations who were told they had one or two black ancestors in the family. One woman who was told she had Gypsy ancestry threatened to sue the BBC!!

So please Mr. Griffin, go ahead: I dare you to have your members tested.

Anyway there is more and more scientific evidence which shows that racially mixed people are the superior ones! After all it is pretty obvious that it is no good to keep it all in the family. That's why it is illegal to marry your sister. In fact the greater the diversity of the DNA in one individual, the better human being you get! Think about that one Mr.Griffin!

Daniele
23 November 2009 at 12:00

I forgot to say that I wish Mr. Griffin would have his own DNA tested first! he should then reveal it to the world. For all you know he might get lucky. He might be one of those very rare "pure bred" hill billies which still inhabit these islands!In which case he might be the only member of the BNP with the right to join.

Oh yes I forgot his racist rules for memberships are now illegal! What a shame!

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