Brian Coleman

40 comments from readers

James
04 December 2007 at 12:34

"The nightmare of the BNP funding its London operation from taxpayers’ money is too ghastly to contemplate. "

Absolute rubbish. I hope the BNP win seats and expose the corrupt, anti-English and anti-democratic traitors that have been gleefully encouraging the demise of London's native white communities and culture for decades.

Livingstone has embraced advocates of suicide bombings and supported Sinn Fein during the peak of their murderous bombing campaign, as well as refusing to celebrate St Georges Day in a dignified way. Yet you are 'united' with him. Survivors of the blitz would have thought the state of modern London far more 'horrifying' than anything the BNP could ever come up with.

Wayne Smith
04 December 2007 at 15:18

Coleman's argument assumes that the best way to deal with people who have disagreeable opinions is to stifle them and pretend they don't exist. Democracy, alas, is with people, and even assholes are entitled to representation.

Marianne
04 December 2007 at 15:53

The way to defeat the BNP is not to impose an electoral system that disenfranchises everyone except Tory and Labour supporters but to mount an effective political campaign against the fascists. We must show voters, including with the use of examples from where they have been elected to councils, that the BNP have no solutions to any of the problems that Londoners face, whether they arise from the rise in immigration or from some other cause.

The BNP's mayoral candidate, who is also likely to top the BNP's Assembly list, is a buffoon whose daft antics are constantly exposed in Barking and Dagenham, where he leads the BNP council group.

The BNP cannot even retain its councillors. Three out of the 50 councillors the BNP had after the May elections have quit the BNP or been expelled.

You are quite right to point out the financial implications of the BNP getting Assembly members, which makes it even more imperative to defeat them, but politically not by stacking the electoral system against all smaller parties.

Garstan
04 December 2007 at 16:43

Marianne youare talking out the back of your head. Plenty of councillors quit or are expelled from all parties it's just that the press focus on the BNP leaving hapless individuals with a lop sided view.

McGill
04 December 2007 at 17:01

It is nice to see the Conservative Party admitting there is nothing to choose between themselves and the Sultan Of London. What appalling comments you have made Mr Coleman. You seem to consider yourself, and your Labour friends, superior to anybody who, through their own experiences of your failed multicultural fantasy, dares to oppose it.

You are just another of those who believes in democracy just so long as everybody agrees with you and Ken.

As for the money aspect mentioned in your bile hasn't there been enough corruption exposed within the Conservative/Labour Party to satisfy even the most apathetic about the true nature of the establishment parties?

Move over. New kids on the block.

Bernard
04 December 2007 at 18:58

It beggars belief that Conservative and Labour M.P,'s want to change the rules to stop another party gaining votes. The BNP policies dont seem that bad ( l looked them up on BNP site ) However, if you are vehemently opposed to them use your vote, and if others vote for them respect their choice.Something that suprised me, the BNP is the fourth biggest party in the UK , an awful lot of people must be supporting them .

Bernard Wass

DarrenJ
04 December 2007 at 19:08

Brian Coleman states "Indeed it has been suggested that the public resources available to the Green Party at City Hall in staffing and other costs have allowed them to run an effective London-wide machine."

Can I just point out there are strict rules in place at City Hall to prevent the misuse of publicly funded resources. The Green Group have always abided by these rules and, unlike a number of other Groups on the Assembly there has never been any formal complaints made about about Greens misusing resources.

If we had been able to use City Hall resources to build an effective party machine I doubt I would have donated tens of thousands of pounds of my own cash to the party over the last seven years.

Darren Johnson AM - Green Assembly Member

Looserivet
04 December 2007 at 20:01

The Lib/Lab Con have no right whatsoever to lecture anyone on a moral compass, WMD, cash for honours, cash donations from forigners and third parties, one home office blunder after another, shooting people who look dodgy on the underground, lies about crime, NHS, education, immigration, travel perks for mistresses, not enough body armour for our front line troops, massive pay rises for MP's please don't try and tell me the BNP could possibly be any worse! The present shower have destroyed this once great country on an unprecedented scale. What was it Tony Blair said, "Trust me" we did and look what we got, now you say "trust us the BNP is not the answer" I can think of no better reason to vote BNP!

maine_seadog
04 December 2007 at 20:07

I heartily disagree with the existence of the B.N.P.- in fact, I proudly describe myself as a social democrat and a passionate supporter of the Welfare State. I reject all forms of hate, as all respected persons do.

However, I am shocked and dismayed that people actually support the destruction of a nation's culture. While I believe it is fully appropriate for the demographics of America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to change exponentially (as they were the results of such forced change), I find it unconscionable that immigration is responsible both for the annihilation of traditional culture, which in turn is a loss of HUMAN DIVERSITY, and also threaten the stability of our fragile environmental heritage and ecosystems.

IT IS WRONG TO DESTROY THE CULTURE OF A NATION. You do not need to be racist to believe that notion, though leftifts accuse anyone of questioning "multiculturalism" as such, just to stifle debate, much like right wing nutjobs will argue that all supporters of the Welfare State are communist tyrants.

If you want to defeat the BNP, try and respect what culture is extant in Britain, not destroying it. That especially goes to the Labour Party.

g
04 December 2007 at 20:59

I shall be voting Richard Barnbrook BNP for the mayor elections;

Go to hell Brian Colman.

Ian W
04 December 2007 at 21:07

Is Brian Coleman advocating the voting system that is used for the House of Lords? Votes in Brown envelopes!

Are parts of London, Lancashire, Staffordshire and West Riding of Yorkshire worse off for having BNP councillors?

Please tell us Mr Coleman!

Ian W

Penrhyndeudraeth

trent
04 December 2007 at 21:36

I have always voted Con, but now Brian Colman has now alined him self with that IRA supporting red ken. I have decided that I believe more in free speech that I do the con party.

BNP, you may no count on my vote, as you are the only party trying to save this country.

patriotni
05 December 2007 at 00:42

The old parties have had their day.It's time for native Britons to reclaim our land and halt the ""ethnic cleansing " of our whole culture and way of life by the left-liberal elite,which it wold now seem includes the tories.

I would encourage every white londoner to vote BNP.

T Clarke

The Realist
05 December 2007 at 02:03

Oh dear. The Tories and Labour closing ranks to keep everyone off the gravy train. How naughty!

They say that any publicity is good publicity, so on this basis may the BNP prosper.

And yes, I am a supporter of the BNP. And that's because I am British, a Nationalist and I enjoy a good party!.

But regrettably, for many leftist rabble rousers, I have a full head of hair, not a single tattoo, have a sensible middle class lifestyle and build a model railway in my spare time. A bit sad, I know.

But having met other BNP 'racist Fascists' such as myself, I regret to inform that they are all much like me. Just ordinary, decent people, deceived and cheated after 40 years of left and right and middle of the road lies.

I don't wish ill on anyone, nor am I 'consumed by hatred'. But I, like many others, just think it's time to redress the balance and fight 'our corner'.

You have nothing to fear from the British National Party, don't believe everything you read in the press. Just ordinary people, leading ordinary lives, much like the Lib-Lab-Con, but without the lies, deceit, corruption and the pandering to everyone but our own.

Good luck Richard Barnbrook, and good luck BNP.

The tide is turning in this country, and it is nothing to be ashamed of.

www.bnp.org.uk

Tom Paine
05 December 2007 at 09:45

Yes let's have a country ruled by chippy white trash. That will make Britain great again!

WelshPatriot
05 December 2007 at 11:33

I send my thanks to the people of London who are supporting the BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY, and its mayoral candidate.

This country needs a radical change to get rid of the self-centered, Britain destroying Labour, Tory, LibDem.

Elgar1857
05 December 2007 at 11:41

Speaking as an ex-Tory member and activist I am appalled but not surprised by Mr Colemans remarks, people like him were the reason I left the party and joined the only people fighting to save our traditions and voice the concerns of the British people.

I am proud to be a member of the British National Party and consider his comments to be further proof that there is no longer more than a cigarette paper between the corrupt mainstream parties.

Stupidwhitetrash
05 December 2007 at 11:59

Yes speaking as someone who used to be a Conservative too, one day I woke up, read the words of some non-entity Tory and realised I was actually a neo-Nazi. I then devoted the rest of my life to writing postings under a variety of identities saying my outrage about Brian Colman had led me to be a Nazi. Not the fact I was thick, bitter, economically unsuccessful and very, very ugly.

Brian Wright
05 December 2007 at 12:33

How refreshing to see an organ of the media (The New Statesman) allowing a dinosaur from one of the old parties to hang himself in public by his un-democratic comments. Even more refreshing is the fact that you haven't filtered out the comments that condem him, as is the case in most of the press, where the British National Party is concerned. Well done!

I would urge your readers to visit the BNP website, read their manifesto, then decide who to vote for, as I have done. That is the only way to make an informed choice amid the lies and deceit.

Rosie
05 December 2007 at 14:57

May I say how absolutely hypocritical the British establishment and media are about President Putin and the recent Russian election.

So he stopped smaller parties getting TV coverage and media coverage did he?.

Must have leant how to do it from the Lib?lab/con.

The BNP is Britain's fourth party polling not far behind the Lib Dems and way past the Greens, yet there is a deliberate policy to exclude them from political debate and the media.

A deliberate policy of political censorship worthy of the old polit Bureau and worse than anything Putin has allegedly tried.

If that sort of political deceit is not enough we now have some two bit tory proposing to change the electoral arrangements for London to prevent, one way or another ,Londoners voting for the party of their choice. Some democracy? Tory Party scam!!

Just how much lower can our poliyical establishment sink? Give us some fresh air. The BNP thanks

McGill
05 December 2007 at 15:47

It is interesting to note the only anti-BNP comments on here to date are bereft of debate over policy and merely resort to snide petty or racist insult.

Sylvie
05 December 2007 at 17:44

Our ancesters did not fight in two world wars to protect our culture and indentity only to hand it over a few years later. The BNP is our only hope for our children and grandchildren. Our councilor in Ilford is hard working and well liked. We need more, Sylvia Howard.

Tom Wilde
05 December 2007 at 18:10

Amazing how whenever any passing mention of the white trash BNP shows up on Google News, it draws their usual posse of anoraks like catnip. Let's get this in proportion, though. Yes, the BNP are neo-fascists, but the 2007 council results show pretty clearly that they have already peaked. They claimed they would gain about 50 extra seats, but they lost nearly all the seats they defended, exactly balancing their paltry wins. A net gain of one seat. If they had been defending more seats (as they will be in 2008,9 and 10) then they would have shown a net loss. For a party that relies on the illusion of rapid growth, this is potentially fatal. The only thing that can save them is lots of outraged publicity from the Left. So don't give it to them! By the way, contrary to Brian Coleman, I get the impression that the tiny One London party have done quite an effective and professional job of opposition on the London Assembly, or at least better than the Tories.

Brian Wright
05 December 2007 at 20:04

Tom Wilde in his comments obviously knows nothing of the BNP, except for the lies he has been fed by most of the media. If he would really like to know what real neo-fascists look and behave like, he should take another look at the mob outside of the Oxford Union last week, trying to stifle free speech. Free speech is the first casualty of fascism.

polkeytom
05 December 2007 at 21:02

WHY do you think that the "Respect" party is vanquished and that the BNP is growing??? growing enough for plutocratic, corrupt and hypocritical people like Coleman to become worried???

The very policies that the lib-lab-con stage-act have imposed over the last 30 years! Respect is going to garner no support of the wider electorate as its utterly seperated from what people care about and thats not moral abstactions but a search for identiy in an alien postmodern world. I am 27 and have NEVER VOTED in any election but in the next one I will, but not for the Old Gang. Its time for change.

The leftist elite are like the frog that agrees to give the scorpion (Islamification) a lift across the river. "But won't you sting me?"

No, replies the scorpion, as we will both die. With the best moral intent, the frog crosses the stream but in the middle he is stung fatally by the scorpion. "Why?" he asks as he dies. The scorpion replies that it is in his nature...

rhory
05 December 2007 at 21:41

What a loathsome specimen you are, Brian. Democracy is OK it would seem, so long as it returns representatives of the major parties in perpetuity. And given the revelations about Labour's funding, Tory sleaze and the whiter-than-white antics of 'black activist' Lee Jasper, on what grounds exactly do the Tories and Labour claim moral superiority over the BNP? Hopefully, the good people of London will give you the bum's rush come 2008

rhory
05 December 2007 at 21:46

What a nauseating display for a so-called democrat - get elected to Ken's Castle and immediately start drawing up proposals to pull up the drawbridge behind you. Is Ken's rampant self-interest and self-hatred getting to you, Brian?

Hopefully, the electorate will see you for what you are: a, hollow, opportunistic machine politician. At least with the BNP, they're not in it to line their own pockets - they get so much stick from the noses-in-the trough mob, they must at the very least have some courage and self-belief.

Roll on 2008 and we can get rid of Ken and hypocrites like you, too!

Sylvie
06 December 2007 at 00:00

Almost all party leaflets that are put through the door for various elections now are full of why we should not vote for the BNP. It's pathetic. If it wasn't for this party, do you really think they would be discussing immigration? of course not. They are a spanner in their scheme of things and they will try anything to stop them. They won't. The people in the BNP are loyal and focased on saving this country for our children and grandchildren.

Chris Hyland
06 December 2007 at 13:56

"The BNP is Britain's fourth party polling not far behind the Lib Dems and way past the Greens"

Can you link to any data that shows this, thanks.

jaybee
06 December 2007 at 15:47

I am a working class guy, voted Labour all my life. Red Ken a big no-no as he supports any anti-British terrorist outfit going. I served six years in the army, that's the British army Ken, just in case you are trawling this site, not the IRA or any number of Islamic 'armies'. Coleman is proof, if any needed, that the Tories are NuLabour mark two. Just have to look at 'call me' Dave. Copies Ken every opportunity to don a turban and chase the Asian vote. When the Queen dies thats it for me, i'll be a republican because who can want that buffoon Prince Charles as King? This disgrace has stated that he wants to be crowned as "Defender of all the Faiths", another of the red dot on the forehead brigade. And then anyone dare ask why I will be voting BNP for the first time? I originally come from Barking but unlike Billy Bragg I couldn't afford to buy a mansion in whitest Dorset and escape the chaos that it is today! Champagne socialists like him and George Galloway, not forgetting our overpaid useless MP's, have sold Britain out. I was thinking of UKIP but I read that they have been beaten the last 30 odd times in local by elections by the BNP. The BNP can count on my support from now on.

Rosie
06 December 2007 at 15:56

The opinion poll recently released put others only 4 points behind the lib dems.

As yougov has claimed the BNP is now the fourth party, so it can be reasonably assumed that much of the ''other' vote is BNP, particularly if you research their recent polling figures for council by-elections.

Epping a few weeks ago - the BNP moved up to second and changed a Tory majority of 415 to just 18 in a matter of six months or less.

They are regularly polling 30-40% and rarely get below 10.

The other parties including the greens are polling well down. Ukip has virtually disappeared - getting single digits at times.

We should have a chance to see exactly what the BNP is polling but the pollsters are refusing to do this, so you can anly use council results as a guideline.

Hope this helps.

Rosie

Greg L-W.
06 December 2007 at 20:11

That the Tories betrayed the best interests of the peoples of these United Kingdoms with lies and a costly campaign to destroy our democracy under Ted Heath and that John Major, well rewarded by The Carlysle Group, deepened the betrayal is irrefutable.

That Labour have exacerbated the betrayal prostituting Britain to a Common Purpose in the obscene and damaging construct of The EUropean soviet is undeniable. That The Greens are merely reliant on the naievity of those with their eyes wide shut riding the bandwaggon of dishonest propaganda promulgated as fear politics with which to govern and the duplicitous pseudo science of Global warming & Climate Change is provable - even without the grants meted out as reward to those who support the lies and spin of Governance. The Lib.Dims. lack even the integrity to represent their own voters who mostly vote beguilled into a belief that this Labour faction is in some way Liberal and something other than an EU construct founded by Jenkins to exploit the self important egos of those two hapless failures from Labour politics - David Owen & Shirley Williams as they march to addulation of the Common Purpose in destruction of our democracy.

It is sad that some are so disgusted with these three parties with not a cigarrette paper to place them apart from the gone native EUkip party in their desire to aid The EU in the destruction of Britain that they are tempted to vote for the revolting BNP - a measure of their desperation to avoid the main party con!

That the BNP are beneath contempt barely needs discussion as they so clearly espouse a racial hatred cleverly concealed in their manifesto and their fear of other peoples superstitions is risible as they exploit one superstition against another - wehat a revolting god they have that he might even consider condoning their exploitation of him for hatred and their refusal to renounce their foundations in both intellectual and monetary terms in the evils of the white supremacist movement in America which espoused ritual excecution by lynching of some 3-4,000 young men merely because they were black - a practice continued to this day - yet the BNP will not renounce their racist evil roots and funding.

One can be assured and it can be proven that when confronted by BNP control there is absolutely no doubt they will either use their authority or debase to any degree to silence free speech if it dares to prove their message flawed and evil.

So now we have NO Party worthy of a vote - then again with the EUropean soviet imposing all our laws democracy is clearly no longer any more relevant than are the politicians still clinging to it with no relevance!

As the EU with its 200,000 unaccounted bank accounts, 3,500 clandestine executive committees without ANY elected members, the largest Snivil Cervice in the world and over 400 offices peddling its obscene propaganda in Britain alone be minded the New World Order concept as regurgitated by the criminal Mandelson 'Post Democratic era'!

The Politicians have betrayed us so we have no obligation to them - withdraw their mandate totally, excercise the constructive right to spoil your ballot paper.

L Green
06 December 2007 at 22:05

Brian Coleman's 'take' is advertised as "often outrageous". That describes his views on the BNP very well. It's also strange to read his comment about not agreeing with Ken Livingstone on much. Really ?

Don't the laughingly-called 'Conservatives' have the same policies as Red Ken's Labour on virtually everything that matters, in spite of the tremendous quibbling about irrelevencies in an attempt to suggest there is a difference ? On race & immigration to morals, to the EU, to the running down of British industries, to our betrayed Armed Forces ... and so on, there is no real difference; to say nothing of the cynicism, lies, arrogance and corruption that applies equally to them both.

A few BNP representatives will be a breath of fresh air, and actually represent the downtrodden still-majority (if barely) in our once great capital.

Janice Small
07 December 2007 at 11:48

Has anyone take the time to read the BNP's 2005 manifesto? Their current site has been toned down somewhat.

Their 2005 general election manifesto makes interesting reading:

“The BNP will not allow immigration to Britain and will implement the orderly repatriation of past immigrants” . Translated: BNP will remove immigrants. By all means control our borders and have joined up thinking for border control, immigration and customs but you cannot eject the grandparents of the Jamaicans and the Indian sub-continent whose children and grandchildren were born here : will my mother be sent back to Ireland?

“The BNP supports strong unions and strong industries, and the kind of unions that work for the health of their industries”. Translated: Back to the pre-Thatcher 1970s union stranglehold on the ‘Sick Man of Europe’.

“The capitalisation of British industry is a function of how much money Britons save”. Translated: BNP will stop overseas investment, stop inward investment and thereby stifle growth and export opportunities.

“All law-abiding adults who have successfully completed their period of military service are required to keep in a safe locker in their homes a standard-issue military assault rifle and ammunition”. Translated: any nutter or fruitcake that gets into the army can apply to be stormtroopers to patrol their local neighbourhoods.

The reason why the other parties expose the BNP in their literature is because they are so vile.

A vote for UKIP is also a useless vote. They are a disparate bunch, apart from Nigel Farage, and never vote in the European Parliament, they always abstain. This is a mis-use of taxpayers money.

Re PR: I always question the voting systems in our devolved legislatures, the London Assembly and Brussels. The systems were set up by Labour. Conservative Action for Electoral Reform promotes the use of the Single Transferable Vote which is widely recognised as the fairest and most proportional system. My Tory colleagues should get used to the idea of a PR system as no democracy when asked reverts back to first past the post.

check out the facts on PR and STV:

www.conservativeelectoralreform.org

www.electoral-reform.org.uk

ALWOOD
07 December 2007 at 12:41

I don't see the sense in this rant of Coleman. First of all he is cosying up to that anti British left wing Livingston. Since he is a Tory, he deserves to be thrown out of the Conservative party.

In addition, If the BNP had not been in existence, none of the other political parties would have broached the subject of totally uncontrolled immigration, now they have all jumped on the bandwagon.

Many people agree with the aims of the BNP and as a legal political party the undemocratic attempts to scupper their election results, seems to me to be a criminal offence. If such tactics were to be used in foreign elections there would be an international outcry, probably led by the Labour and Tory parties.

I am not a member of the BNP yet but I wish them well in future elections. I say this because if they have members in Parliament the voice of the vast silent majority may be heard for the first time.

Alwood

Strummer
07 December 2007 at 14:15

"The nightmare of the BNP funding its London operation from taxpayers’ money is too ghastly to contemplate."

I am absolutely horrified at this statement. Taxpayers vote, and if the BNP win seats then this is becasue of the will of the people.

For mainstream politicians and journalists to try so hard to stop the people voting how they wish disgusts me, and shows the voting public just who the true fascists are.

When the comically titled UAF demonstrated outside the BNP Conference in Blackpool, they shouted 'fascist' at a hotel full of people who were there to vote on BNP Party Policy.

The UAF alongside our mainstream politicians do not want democracy, they want Britain to fall to her knees so they can be a part of the globalist, culture destroying, European Super State.

Larry
07 December 2007 at 14:30

Really Brian???????? After all your bashing of Turks in your blog on Cyprus I thought you were a member of the BNP.

jaybee
07 December 2007 at 17:37

Greg wants people to spoil their ballot papers...like Livingstone is once reported as saying " Don't vote for the b......., it'll only encourage them". Sorry Greg, we can't afford to sit back and allow 'them' a free run in destroying the country even further.

Janice admits to being a Tory, so her jaundiced interpretation of stated BNP policies count for nothing. Thanks to the so-called big three parties, LibLabCon, Britain is in crisis with mass immigration being recognised now as a problem of their own making. This is why the BNP is making headway everywhere. People see them as meaning what they say and having the guts to say it amidst a hostile media circus. If Janice's told the truth, now that would be a change for a Tory, she would tell readers that BNP policiy is to deport all illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers and anyone not entitled to live in this country. Unlike the old and long abandoned 'repatriation now' policy, now only used by the pointless National Front, no-one born here legally will be sent anywhere! The £billions given in Foreign Aid would fund generous 'Homeward Bound' schemes to encourage recent immigrants to return to their land of ethnic origin. What is wrong with that? First though, we must get out of the EU Superstate. UKIP are going nowhere, and the LibLabConspiricy are dragging us further into it, so our only option IS the BNP. Coleman of course doesn't want the BNP to receive MEP's pay and allowances....he and his shady lot of conmen want it all for themselves! When history of the EU is finally written the name of Heath will be reviled for his wilfull deceit of the British people. And all those who sailed with him too, including Coleman and his gang.

Sylvie
08 December 2007 at 16:26

All MPs of all persuasions are always banging on about not giving the BNP the oxygen of publicity. Well they would wouldn't they? If they did, they wouldn't be in power any more. They've done a good job up until now, but we now have the internet. Plus, in Epping, the police ignored the BNP councillors when they complained about violent gangs coming in from the East End. So they did what they always do, and put the police responce in a leaflet just to make sure everyone new about it. That soon focused their mind, and a police presence soon became evident. They are brilliant whistle blowers wherever they are elected. Did you know two of their councillors are Jewish?

Greg L-W.
08 December 2007 at 17:52

Jaybee commented:

Greg wants people to spoil their ballot papers...like Livingstone is once reported as saying " Don't vote for the b......., it'll only encourage them". Sorry Greg, we can't afford to sit back and allow 'them' a free run in destroying the country even further.

Vote Tory and a bucket full is added to one heap, Labour likewise, Lib.Dim. the same - no one looks at them they just weigh them!

Constructively witholding your vote by spoiling the ballot paper with probably the most popular slogan in Britain amongst the electorate (feared and denigrated by the parasites in politics) is BETTER OFF OUT - BOO will do or Britain Liberated from The EUropean soviet may clarify.

Each and ever spoilt ballot is scrutinized by every single jackass wanting a ride on the gravy train obscenely rewarded for betraying their Country. Candidates, Councillors, ajudicators, scrutineers, agents et al read and squabble over the spoilt ballots and the closer the result the more they deliberate!

Democracy has per se failed the electorate, PR is a communist dream and a democratic farce.

We need to force onto the ballot that the election is null and void without a minimum of 60% of the electorate voting for parties. If the candidates between them fail to get 60% to turn out then they should be barred and have a new election with new candidates that deliver what the public want - not the Tory/EUkip Labour/Lib.Dim. scam with not a cigarrette paper between them delivering what suits them on a cosy carve up.

The days of Party Politics are clearly over - even Betty Handlebum calls it 'The post democratic age' - so do they wish to be obedient servants of the electorate or the enemy of the electorate and follow the French nobility to a political guillotine?

Westminster is merely the Museaum of Democracy - self important stuffed shirts rubber stamping undemocratic EU law imposed upon us to overturn Liberty & Justice.

Doubt me? Then read The Treaty of Elysee and then Part II Section 2 of The EUropean Communities Act 1972. The first removes ANY say of any Country save France & Germany and the second removes ANY meaningfull authority at Westminster!

I expect to die on my feet but it is a great improvement on living on one's knees!

Clearly a constructively witheld vote is of greater value than a lie that one believes them!

Regards,

Greg L-W.