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An Appearance on Iranian TV

  • Posted by Martin Bright
  • 13 May 2008

A very civilised discussion on radicalisation was had by all

I was invited onto Press TV in Ealing to discuss Muslim radicalisation with the controversial Swiss Islamist Tariq Ramadan, Seumas Milne of the Guardian and Superintendent Dal Babu of the Metropolitan Police.

I was resistant for two reasons:

1. Press TV is funded by the Iranian government

2. These things can often turn into an ambush

On the first point I asked for the fee to be paid to British Muslims for Secular Democracy (I like the idea that the Iranian government should be funding an anti-fundamentalist organisation). On the second I was assured that the discussion would be civilised, which it was.

The last time I went to Press TV (when I gave my fee to the GCHQ whistleblower Katharine Gun) I bumped into someone from Socialist Worker and I spotted the Muslim Association of Britain's Azzam Tamimi in the studios. It turns out Tamimi has his own TV station up in Ealing too. I suggested that Superintendent Babu might want to look into this hive of Islamist propaganda, but he just laughed nervously.

It was an odd discussion. Seumas made the point that radicalisation should not necessarily have negative connotations and that the new political consciousness represented by the Stop the War Coalition had politicised many young Muslims. I suggested that this could turn out to be a tragic dead-end, that I felt political Islam was a route to separatism. Young British Muslims, I felt would be better off fighting racism and rooting out foreign-funded Islamists.

Babu's position was unclear. He talked about some admirable work being done by the police with West Ham football club to bring together young Jewish and Muslim girls. But he seemed to accept the basic thesis that it was only worth talking to the Muslim Council of Britain and other "credible" voices (i.e. Islamists). Worryingly, I'm pretty sure I overheard a conversation that Ed Husein, the author of the Islamist, had been disinvited to address the Superintendents' Association. The influence of the Islamist copper Bob Lambert is clearly still powerful despite his retirement.

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17 comments from readers

redharry
14 May 2008 at 15:36

Martin, you're very keen on Ed Husain, but don't you find it suspicious that Ed got a job with the British Council in such sensitive parts of the middle-east as Saudi Arabia and Syria so soon after leaving HuT. The British Council is careful to vet people who work for it, and are unlikely to hire someone who had just left the BNP for example.

Husain wrote in the 'Islamist', "In early 2003 Saddam Hussein effectively invited the US army to invade Iraq by playing cat-and-mouse games with United Nations arms inspectors." (p216)

What sort of person could write such rubbish and with what motive?

I see you still claim credibility for the Astroturf 'Sufi Muslim Council' How do you answer Craig Murray's

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2006/08/the_neoconser...

exposure of their links with the Uzbek dictator Karimov and the neo-cons in America?

Martin Bright
14 May 2008 at 18:53

Oh my God! So Ed is a spy. How stupid I have been. And the Sufi Muslim Council boil dissidents alive, sorry I can't explain that.

Averroes
15 May 2008 at 10:51

British Council Vetting? Nasim Ghani the "Doctor" was also working for the British Council in Dhaka, I guess he is a British Agent too!!!

He continued I believe to do so though I recall the Hizb leadership telling the rest of party cadres it wasn't allowed to work for the colonialist Kafirs in Muslim countries, only in non-Muslim countries!

Give it a break guys, ask the 'Prince' yourself if you want to verify this, after all he has come forward as your leader in the UK, as opposed to hiding behind Dr Abdul Wahid.

Toodle pip!

redharry
15 May 2008 at 12:56

So British Intelligence doesn't have any agents in HuT? How stupid I (and they) have been. By the way, I know for a fact that the British Council does carry out vetting - how come they're so keen on HuTers? And why send them to countries where it is banned i.e Saudi and Syria. Ed claims to have seen the light only after he had worked in those countries - wasn't the British council at least putting him a great risk by sending him there?

see here for vetting

http://foi.britishcouncil.org/downloads/Expatriate%20Package...(redacted).pdf

'And the Sufi Muslim Council boil dissidents alive, sorry I can't explain that.'

No, but they're allies of Karimov who does boil dissidents alive. Perhaps you'd like to explain that. I bet you won't as it seems to be easier for you to avoid addressing such embarrassing connections.

Also, strange how the SMC, BICOM, PX all have links with the Neo-cons. All a coincidence of course.

SunnyH
15 May 2008 at 15:29

Martin, did you run into Andrew Gilligan while there? ;)

redharry
15 May 2008 at 16:33

From

‘It’s widely assumed that the British Council is a wing of our secret services’

By Trevor Royle, Diplomatic Editor

http://www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/di...

"There is a widespread assumption that the British Council is a wing of our Secret Intelligence Services, however minor," admits a British diplomatic source. "Officially it is no such thing but there are connections. Why should it be otherwise, because all information is invaluable? After all, the British Council also deals with trade missions and inevitably that involves low-grade intelligence-gathering."

knave
16 May 2008 at 07:09

Martin will you donate your money to the US humanist society when you appear of the US fundamentalist, rapture loving, bush supporting, cohen and bright own favourite Fox news.

Martin Bright
16 May 2008 at 11:30

Knave... never have appeared on Fox, but doesn't that guy own a TV network here?

Martin Bright
16 May 2008 at 11:31

Hey Sunny -- I'm assuming Andrew is also donating his fee to a good cause!

redharry
16 May 2008 at 19:12

Funny how Martin is very precious about receiving money from Iran, but cheerfully goes on a propaganda trip to Israel paid for by an arms dealer.

I see the Quilliam Foundation has removed its list of advisors from its website because, 'we have decided to respect our advisors' wishes that they continue to advise us in private so as to save them the indignity of constant Islamist-Wahhabite harrassment.' (sic)

Advisors like Paddy Ashdown who as we know was never an agent of MI6, because he denied it.

As for Mr Ed's mate Maajid Nawaz, who claimed this happened to him in Denmark...

http://tinyurl.com/4p86n6

Mr Nawaz also revealed that he was threatened two weeks ago by disgruntled members of Hizb ut Tahrir.

"It was in Copenhagen, in Demark. I was just walking down the street and suddenly three cars full of guys pulled up. They said they were from Hizb ut Tahrir.

"They accused me of supporting democracy, which is a crime for them. I felt threatened but luckily managed to get away."

Now what are the chances of that happening?

knave
16 May 2008 at 22:30

Is redharry right Martin about the money your trip been financed by an arms dealer.

Does that mean when you get the job.

Will the NS be sponsored by ARMALITE.

redharry
17 May 2008 at 01:31

BICOM is funded by Poju Zabludowicz who got his money from this company http://www.soltam.com/ click on the link to see how Martin Bright's trip was paid for in blood

Soltam is an Israeli company which operates both on the military market and the civilian market. Its military expertise is artillery systems, cannons and ammunition. It is a subsidiary of the Israeli defense firm Elbit.

Military products:

* Tank guns

o Merkava smoothbore 120 mm main gun

* Artillery - towed gun and self-propelled gunshowitzers

o M-68 towed 155 mm howitzer.

o M-71 towed 155 mm howitzer.

o Rascal self-propelled 155 mm howitzer

o Slammer (Sholef) - Merkava-based self-propelled 155 mm howitzer.

* Mortars

o Merkava 60 mm internal mortar.

o Cardom 120 mm self-propelled mortar.

o Dragon EFSS (Cardom, version for the USMC).

o M-65 120 mm mortar.

o M-66 160 mm mortar.

* Ammunition

o Mortar shells (60 mm, 81 mm, 120 mm, 160 mm)

o Artillery shells (155 mm , 175 mm)

Another client of Soltam is 'Prince of Darkness' and neo-con Richard Perle

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard...

'His first clients are Israeli arms dealers Shlomo Zabludowicz, and his son Chaim Zabludowicz, who would like to sell the US weapons produced by Soltam Ltd., an Israeli company that makes mortars, artillery, ammunition, and other civilian and military products.'.

redharry
17 May 2008 at 01:32

ps I wonder how many people BICOM/Soltam's products have killed.

knave
17 May 2008 at 13:56

Martin you must be so proud

redharry
19 May 2008 at 11:39

I suppose Martin Bright is too busy to explain why he accepted a freebie form a neo-con arms dealer.

More

'extensive gambling interests in Las Vegas' now what is that code for?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article310795...

A FINNISH billionaire who inherited a fortune from the arms trade and has extensive gambling interests in Las Vegas has emerged as one of David Cameron’s major financial backers.

Poju Zabludowicz, who lives in London, has donated £70,000 to the Conservative party over the past three years. He is also one of the financial supporters of the Conservative Friends of Israel, which has also given to the party.

redharry
19 May 2008 at 12:12

Our friend also bankrolls leading American neo-con and lunatic warmonger Frank Gaffney

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1183.html

Frank Gaffney, a former Reagan administration official who got his start working under Richard Perle on the staff of Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA) in the 1970s, is a prominent neoconservative hardliner whose Center for Security Policy (CSP) serves as a clearinghouse for information and analyses that promote controversial weapons programs, a Likudnik line on Mideast peace issues, and an expansive "war on terror" targeting "Islamofascists" (a popular Gaffney term) throughout the Middle East.

From

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest/4

'Another of Gaffney's backers is Poju Zabludowicz, heir to a formidable diversified international empire that includes arms manufacturer Soltam--which once employed Perle--and benefactor of the recently established Britain Israel Communication and Research Centre, a London-based group that appears to equate reportage or commentary uncomplimentary to Zionism with anti-Semitism.'

Which Martin Bright has just done .

javK
25 June 2008 at 06:53

The Quilliam Foudation have been considered in detail in a number of websites - the following two are worth looking at for anyone who wants a serious perspective...

http://islamic-considerations.blogspot.com/

www.abu-ibrahim.blogspot.com

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Martin Bright began his journalistic career writing in very simple English for a magazine aimed at French school children. This experience has informed his style ever since. He worked for the BBC World Service, and The Guardian before joining the Observer as Education Correspondent. He went on to become Home Affairs Editor before becoming the New Statesman's political editor in 2005.

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