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Jordan, Lorraine and me

  • Posted by Richard Herring
  • 25 March 2008

Katie Price, aka Jordan, is all over the papers at the moment, not that she ever isn’t, but I’ve seen her staring out at me from several magazine covers in the last week or so. The Guardian even did a big feature on the topless model turned TV celebrity/singer/author/product endorser/millionaire.

I don’t know what she’s pushing at the moment, possibly one of the novels that have her name on the cover, but which are ghostwritten by someone else, maybe her lingerie range, or perhaps she’s doing another TV show with her husband Peter Andre. Whatever you think about her she has become a phenomenon and money-making machine, much more so than any of her contemporaries who took their tops off in the Sun in the 1990s.

It reminded me of the time I met Katie, or Jordan or Mrs Andre or whatever she wants to be called at the moment. It was back in 2001 and I was appearing on the Lorraine Kelly show on Sky TV. This was a little watched extra programme that Lorraine did after her stint on GMTV. I had been on before to offer my comedic pearls of wisdom on whatever she was talking about that day and she’d asked me back to discuss in a similarly humorous fashion, the things that annoyed me about women. Jordan/Katie was going to be on the sofa next to me to tell the nation (or rather the few thousand people who had accidentally tuned into this station) what annoyed her about men.

The item was about to begin and I was already sitting with lovely Lorraine on the sofa, when Jordan/Katie arrived. Neither of us had met the model before, but before we could say hello she grabbed her own breasts and said, “See they’re not that big are they?”

It was an unusual introduction. Most women complain if a man can not help himself from staring at her breasts when she’s talking. Here was a woman actively encouraging me to immediately focus in on her bazookas. And to be honest, they were pretty big. Jordan/Katie had after all had her bosoms artificially enhanced in order to make them bigger.

“They are quite big,” I replied not unreasonably.

“Yes,” she acknowledged, “But they’re not as big as the media would have you believe.”

I didn’t know what she meant by this. After all, she appeared topless in the media and seemed to talk about her breasts a lot in the media and had had her breasts enlarged. Was there some paper that was reporting that her breasts were as big as zeppelins?

Jordan/Katie seemed harassed and nervy and rather sad. She was clearly slightly paranoid and was indeed going through a bit of a tough time, both in her love life and having to deal with critical media. Her face looked stressed, close up her skin seemed a little bit leathery and she sadly told us about how she regretted the liposuction that she had had on her legs, saying that she got cold very easily now. I genuinely felt very sorry for her.

The live discussion got underway. I had prepared several jokey answers about what annoyed me about the opposite sex, all of which I have now forgotten and so these comedy gems are lost to the world. They were flippant and designed mainly to mock men’s weaknesses. Then Lorraine turned to Jordan/Katie and asked her what annoyed her about men. “I hate it,” she replied rather downbeat, “When they say they will ring you, but then they don’t ring you.” There was a pause as we waited for a possible punchline, but she just stared down at her feet. “You should stop dating footballers and go out with someone who treats you nicely,” I told her. Although I didn’t know it, she was at this point in the early stages of pregnancy with Dwight Yorke’s child. But Dwight Yorke had left her. It’s no wonder she wasn’t bouncing off the walls.

At the time I thought she was desperate for fame and the vindication she thought that would bring and I suppose I wasn’t too far wrong with that. I did, however, think that her moment in the fleeting light of celebrity was coming to an end and I was concerned for her. Nothing was going right for her and she seemed destined for disappointment or much worse. I predicted to a friend that I thought she might be dead in a couple of years, or at least have a breakdown.

Looks like I was wrong. In the intervening years she has seemingly managed to overcome her insecurities and prove her detractors wrong and certainly become one of the most successful businesswomen in the country. I don’t know it that is a good thing, but I am pleased that she managed to get herself out of the hole that she was in when I met her. Some would argue that I have not been quite as successful as her in the interim.

Buoyed by my successes on the Sky version of the Lorraine Kelly show, I was invited on to GMTV proper to discuss kitsch Christmas gifts with my beloved Lorraine, but I didn’t perform as well and was a bit scurrilous, for example suggesting that a snow globe depicting a young Jesus on the shoulders of Joseph might be a good gift for any dad who was bringing up a child who wasn’t his own. I had meant to be coming in again the next week, but suddenly plans were changed. I was, essentially sacked by GMTV.

Who knows, if I hadn’t been, it might have been me who was invited into the jungle and it might have been me who had caught Peter Andre’s eye and... well, who knows where I would be now?

I wouldn’t be writing for the New Statesman website, I can tell you that for nothing. No, I’d be paying my ghostwriter to do it for me.

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19 comments from readers

Pod
25 March 2008 at 17:22

"Then Lorraine turned to Jordan/Katie and asked her what annoyed her about me."

Just what Jordan hated specifically about the one male on the planet called Richard Keith Herring ...?

(OK so it's a tpyo, not thta Ive ever dnoe any of thsoe -- no, never !!!).

"You should stop hanging dating footballers and go out with someone who treats you nicely"

That Kate should stop HANGING footballers who date a lot .... or that she should stop hanging about with / dating footballers?

Sorry .... POD the pedant.

You may want to deny this blog comment, if you are able to edit / amend your NS blog once posted. (Sometimes I wish us readers who post comments could edit or delete our own nonsense afterwards, I really do!)

Louise
25 March 2008 at 17:36

"I predicted to a friend that I thought she might be dead in a couple of years"

No way -- the majority of these babes with unnatural cleavages are simply playing the media at their own game and they know EXACTLY what they are doing, even how they can milk the next emotional crisis for yet another 3 page splash on "my heartache over split with Dwight Yorke" ... or.... "my sadness that my baby will never know his father" etc etc.

No one would surgically alter their own body and apply so many chemicals to their skin and hair unthinkingly, airheadedly -- it is usually a calculating decision of the barracuda blonde.

"You want big blonde hair, a smile as wide as the Humber Bridge and massive mammaries? Well I got 'em! I got 'em in spades!"

And the media / paparazzi / celebrity rag mags like a horde of starved and depraved Pavlov's dogs oblige. QUICK! TITS! FLASH !!

For my money Jordan almost comes as close to Dolly Parton in the genius rankings (admittedly Dolly should score higher having written all her own music, and many chart topping songs for other people as well) .... and Jordan (who uses a ghost writer and every trick in the book to promote what little talent she has) shouldn't really score so highly .... but, bejazuz, isn't it actually complete genius to be able to become a multi millionairess business woman on the back of so *little* talent?

I rest my case!

Louise
25 March 2008 at 19:38

“I predicted to a friend that I thought she might be dead in a couple of years”

Obviously Jordan is made of stronger stuff, although your prediction would have more been prescient if you had made it about Anna Nicole Smith instead. This almost ruins my theory about the barracuda blondes being out for what they can get in this world and knowing exactly what they are doing, but then I think Anna Nicole Smith was always a more vulnerable. (I think her yo-yo’ing weight was a small indication of her instability.)

Louise
25 March 2008 at 19:41

“You should stop hanging dating footballers and …”

Nah nah nah …. dating footballers is the BEST way to further your media career these days (if you are female). Both Alex Curran and Colleen McCloughlin have obtained columns in magazines off the back of their vicarious fame. Bingo!

Why waste years studying / doing work experience (for free) on a local newspaper / writing for start-up websites (for free) / struggling to survive while waiting for the big “break” when the right looks / attending the right parties will bag you a celebrity footballer boyfriend no problem …? Silly me.

I understand Ashley Cole might be coming available soon ….. all I need is next Saturday’s winning lottery ticket and I will be able to afford the plastic surgery necessary to transform myself into a Barbie doll babe.

Now if I think this situation is a sad indictment on the current state of the media (and I am way past 30) heaven forbid what the next generation of media savvy young girls think.

Surely they will be asking for highlights and booster bras at 8 before long, because if the media (celebrity trash mags, the style and content of which permeates and infects tabloids, and occasionally even a few broadsheets) decrees that all you need is masses of long blonde hair, Barbie doll looks and massive mammaries, and young women decide to pander to the demand, it creates a self fulfilling prophecy (viz: Chantelle Houghton/Jodie Marsh etc).

Sad. Sad. Sad.

P.S. Your column today is simply the kind of subject that I would always feel ardently about (hence it has made me *think* and come up with several comments). I made no comments at all on your previous NS blog (“Service Station Lover”) as I do not feel passionately about the Caffe Ritazza lady (you might do, but I don’t!).

Louise
26 March 2008 at 14:46

Silly silly me ... not 8 years old, but 9 ...

Life imitating art, again -- REALITY has already beaten me to it -- just found this on a google news search today:

"MISS BIMBO GAME SPARKS OUTRAGE"

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2212764/bimbo-game-sparks-...

You really couldn't make it up (as I believe Richard Littlejohn might say).

I think I have enough here for an article of my own (woops!) .... not that anyone would ever buy an article from me, they never do (I'm not a babelicious blonde bimbo with a celebrity footballer boyfriend) ... but I could try to formulate all these itty bitty comments into slightly better shape, couldn't I ...? (Might just do that -- still got several hours to kill at work).

Michaellyncy
27 March 2008 at 20:00

What's even worse is if Louise had her own blog I would probably read it. Then again I am an idiot, such an idiot that I only know that because other people tell me. I am also very impressionable, or so I am told.

Louise
28 March 2008 at 12:17

Thanks Michael. My only regret is that I posted all these comments under the name "Louise" (my middle name) and not under my main name.

I did used to have a blog on MySpace but I haven't kept it up to date for a while -- I got bored of blogging for free. I had this crazy idea that it would actually be nice to earn some money from my writing occasionally. (After all, was it not Samuel Johnson who said "No man but a blockhead ever wrote but for money"?)

I realise that for folks who already get paid for OTHER writing elsewhere (like Richard Herring, Andrew Collins and Emma Kennedy) keeping their own (free) internet blog probably does not encroach too much on time spent earning money for words, versus time spent whittling off a few hundred words for free every day. (And it might sometimes provide them with material that can later be used in books / comedy shows / articles that will eventually earn them money.)

However, I did actually write up a sharper version of all my above comments and sent off an article synopsis to a few editors, with a brief email (imagine that, me going about something the correct way?).

But I have not heard back and doubt that I will, but I figured it's no good complaining that "no one ever wants my writing" if I don't get off my backside sometimes and actually try to sell a few articles. So I tried, and probably failed again, but at least I got off my backside and tried.

A reasonable man
01 April 2008 at 05:14

Jordan/Katie did an interview with Frank Skinner about the same time as your interaction, Richard. He, simlarly, felt her genuinely sad and distressed. Publicists, ghost writers and PR advisors have helped her make a fortune out of this sadness. Who can blame her? Hundreds of authors, artists and musicians have converted their sadness into a living. Good luck to Louise above who is potentially turning her frustrations into good writing. The discomfort of life often becomes tomorrow's insight of genius. Your excellent blogs are testament to this, Richard. Good work.

Louise
06 April 2008 at 17:31

In your Warming Up of Sat 5 April you state:

"It actually makes it much harder to be one of those people who like to say they are a writer, but that it's too hard to get anywhere and it's all a closed shop, so there's no point in even trying (there always used to be a good proportion of such people, managing to never write anything as a result, but still claiming to be writers)."

(1) I myself do not in any way, shape or form claim to be a writer. I am a secretary (completely and utterly bored brainless) but the job that earns my living is secretarial, not writing. I would NOT claim to be a writer unless I could ever make a FULL TIME living from it (which is looking unlikely). Even during the years when I have managed to get a few freelance articles published, I have not at any point claimed to be a writer.

(2) I think your comments about there being more avenues for COMEDY writers are correct (with all the digital channels, YouTube, and the internet etc) .... especially for anyone who is happy to write for FREE for years and years and years (and my years of experience tell me there are ALWAYS publications willing to take advantage of that fact, and of the desperation of new wannabe writers wanting to get their work published / aired.)

(3) I personally feel that journalism -- and certainly TOPICAL features is much more of a closed shop for two reasons:

(a) on the occasions when I do manage to come up with TOPICAL feature ideas which are timely (re: the celebrity bimbo babes which could have tied in with the news story about the "Miss Bimbo" computer game ... or some years ago a hugely witty topical news feature I came up with about Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley at the time of the Divine Brown scandal when it was splashed all over the front page of the Evening Standard with the portentous headline "Hugh and Liz meet to talk" -- one of my many witty comments was: "Someone call Boutros Boutros Ghali!") ..... newspapers almost CANNOT accept a freelance article (from a nobody like me) because:

(i) if they are going to do a topical feature about that particular news story it will be QUICKER and CHEAPER to get one of their in-house staff writers to do it;

(ii) i am a nobody .... whilst they might *occasionally* commission "topical" features from well known "talking heads" (Will Self, Janet Street Porter, etc), they are extremely unlikely to commission a TOPICAL feature from a nobody.

(b) the solution to (i) and (ii) above would obviously have been to have STARTED work on a newspaper 20 years ago, but unfortunately for a number of reasons I never got the opportunity to do so .... and at 30 years old when I did (very belatedly) decide to start again, where I should have done in my 20s (or earlier) I spent a year doing part time newspaper work experience, only to be told the full time starting salary would be £10,000 ..... at 30 years old and with rent and normal living costs to pay there was no way I could afford to do that (I was already earning more on the days that I was NOT "working" for free on the newspaper). Obviously if I had been 18 or 19 with a monied Aunt who happened to live in Chelsea (as was the case with one of the lucky junior staffers) I might have been able to make the sacrifice. But at 30 years old, it was too difficult.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I don't actually like being one of life's moaners who goes round saying "it's a closed shop and there's no point trying" as every few months or few years I *do* have another stab at TRYING ...... but 20 years of doing so and a back catalogue of over 300 articles has proven to me otherwise ..... out of the 300 articles I have written only THREE (yes, three) were PAID for (even though all 300 were *published* in one form or another, including quite respectable and well known publications who do not offer remuneration).

Louise
07 April 2008 at 16:20

Also on the subject of there being more outlets for aspiring comedy writers / comedy wannabes, there are a large number of comedy clubs who offer open spots, where novice comedians get to try out their material, often on the same stage as more established acts. There is no such similar thing in newspapers and magazines (letters to editors don't count -- I tried that years and years ago) -- no one is every going to commission an article off the back of a "letter to the editor", however coruscatingly insightful.

Having said all that above, I am intending to resurrect my MySpace blog in a few weeks, as soon as I am set up with PC and broadband in my new flat, but I do wonder whether blogging on cyberspace forever would actually ever lead anywhere, or whether I would simply be blogging into a big black whole of empty nothingness for eternity (during 2007 when my blog was at its height I had around 300 readers and up to 20 comments per blog entry).

I am curious about this as I myself have not heard of any outstanding or spectacular "blog writer" success stories (of an UNKNOWN person -- not already known for their comedy or journalism elsewhere) ending up being offered (1) a PAID column; or (2) a JOB on a magazine or newspaper ...?

I am GENUINELY curious and whilst not expecting a direct response, if you or your mate Andrew Collins *do* happen to know of a "blog writer" success story, perhaps you could at sometime gently mention it in passing in either one of your blogs ..........?

(And then I will either feel embarrassed at having left such negative comments above about journalism being a "closed" shop with limited entry OR possibly more motivated to resurrect and improve my own blog?)

Michaellyncy
07 April 2008 at 20:57

I don't know what the actual volume of readers is, but my wife's cousin and her friend went travelling last year and their blog is still top of the planetranger list. I don't think they aimed for this though, it was just something they put together for friends and family that turned out to be fairly amusing.

http://www.planetranger.com/sarahandemily/index.shtml

Louise
08 April 2008 at 09:24

Thanks 4 the info, Michael. I have had a brief look (currently at work) but will read more thoroughly later.

Not entirely sure at the moment whether to be amazed that anyone still looks at these NS blogs when they are a few weeks old (and a new one has superseded it), or slightly embarrassed by my own negative comments above.

But I am definitely going to resurrect my old 2007 MySpace blog once set up with a new computer (I might also transfer it to Blogspot or some other blogging host site).

Thanks 4 your interest.

Louise
11 April 2008 at 14:42

I've just come across this article on the internet which almost made me weep. Not only do I know it is true, I have actually ended up (for a few years) teaching at one of the NCTJ teaching centres to privileged monied hooray henrys and henriettas who were able (via parents / trust funds / etc) to afford the £3,000+ course fee, AND able to afford to accept starting jobs on newspapers offering less than £20,000 (Wilby quotes £13,000 as an average current starting salary).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/07/pressandpublishi...

Gggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am (1) bored at work (no one is giving me any work -- it's one of those days) ..... and (2) about to become so angry about the above situation -- which I have actually been aware of for almost 20 years now, but the chip on the shoulder gets bigger each year ..... that I might actually get off my backside and do something about it.

I'm just leaving these comments here (all on this one blog which was originally about Jordan) to REMIND myself to do something in about 10 days time, by which time I hope to be set up with broadband and a laptop at home, instead of relying on intermittent access to computers (work only on quiet days) and at internet cafes.

It was your "Jordan" article which originally inspired me, because I have so much stuff I could write about celebrity nonentities and luminary nobodies (reams and reams of the stuff).

Louise
11 April 2008 at 16:20

Actually calling the students that I taught "hooray henrys and henriettas" is not strictly accurate or very nice of me.

I did actually LIKE the vast majority of my students (I taught at an NCTJ training centre for nearly five years, from 2002 until 2006) -- they simply had slightly more comfortable upbringings than my own, and parents who were able to be financially supportive.

The irony was simply that I was one of the FEW tutors at the training centre who was NOT currently working as a journalist -- because I was (and am still) unable to afford to do so !!!!!

I think the only other lecturers who were not "working journalists" were the law lecturers, as qualified solicitors will always be able to earn more from law itself, than from teaching.

swanseaLiker
19 April 2008 at 00:20

In my opinion, Louise, having people read and enjoy what you create should be the primary focus, rather than feeling you should be paid for it. Richard Herring was employed by The New Statesman on the back of his previous work. It is a sideline and there are very few who can make a career of blogging, no offence as I was interested by what you had to say. Good luck.

Louise
19 April 2008 at 12:52

"there are very few who can make a career of blogging"

I am aware of this. But I am also aware that very GOOD blogs do sometimes get turned into books. An American lady who started a weight loss blog a few years ago called "Half of Me" now has her weight loss memoir published as a book, "Half Assed". Another female blog writer managed to turn her blog into a book of the same name: "My Boyfriend Is A Twat".

So blogs becoming books is definitely an option (if it is good enough) ..... but whether that would then lead to further avenues for articles / topical journalism is debatable as my 20 years of experience (mainly rejection, only a few acceptance letters) suggests that journalism is a much more closed shop than comedy.

However, perhaps the only way to find out will be to FINISH my the blog journey I began last year, and which currently remains unfinished (like a bad symphony).

Better get to it, then !!!

Louise
19 April 2008 at 14:16

"In my opinion, Louise, having people read and enjoy what you create should be the primary focus, rather than feeling you should be paid for it."

But why should the primary focus JUST being having people read + enjoy what I write? I have spent 20 years doing that -- ONLY caring that other people read and like what I write is a one-way ticket to REMAINING unpublished and unknown, as far as I can see.

As an UNKNOWN and (not very frequently) published person, it strikes me that part of my focus SHOULD be trying to get published / paid / get a wider audience / critical acclaim for things that I write.

swanseaLiker
20 April 2008 at 04:11

Jeez Louise, I think you may be a bit obsessive; do what you love, success is objective. I'll feel successful if I can manage an artistic career with M.E.(undiagnosed, but I'm sure I've got it).

More importantly, with Collins/Herring and Radcliffe/Maconie, when can we expect Riley/Lee?

Louise
25 April 2008 at 17:07

On 11 April I said: "I've just come across this article on the internet which almost made me weep."

Just found another:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/25/pressandpublishi...

However, this blog of Herring's which was originally about Jordan has INSPIRED me (just in case it looks like I am just a miserable moaner who never gets off her arse and does anything about it).

This week I have written 5 articles (one per day) and submitted them to a particular publication. One of the articles is about the celebrity bimbo nonentity babes, and another about how impoverished my childhood was.

I won't repeat them here. There is no point unless they do get published (odds I guess of about 1 in 10,000) but this one little blog of Herring's actually inspired me to write several other articles, it took me in several different directions.

I have been waiting / living in hope of the day that I might be able to add one final comment of the "I got it published in XYZ" newspaper but that may be months or years away, or never happen.

But I am living in hope + still trying.

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